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  1. -=Shinryu=- is offline

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    10/07/2004 2:16am


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    Well.....let's see here.

    I've trained (you're gonna laugh) Wing Chun Fut (A Choy Li Fut/Wing Chun Rip off style)
    Kyokushinkaikan Karate (sp)
    And thats about it...

    As for "self-taught" I'm not really teaching myself. Just training with what I know, and what I learn from sparring. Lately I haven't sparred anyone, this is just a question I decided to post on this board to see what everyone else thinks.

    There is wisdom in what you say about someone seeing something I can't. I already knew that. I just wanted to know what everyone else thinks, which is my reason for saying I'm not claiming anything or getting at anything...

    Like I said before....its a fucking question.


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    Cool.

    I'm getting a little insight from you guys. Please don't take anything I say as an insult. Its like 2 AM here and I feel mischevious
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    Oh....as for the Wing Chun Fut....

    http://www.lcmakc.com should be the site....
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    Posted On:
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    Self taught, I need more of a definition.

    Recently created styles are usually just a rehash of various styles or one style with some changed elements. Most just emphasise some aspects more than others.

    Now go **** yourself sigh boy.


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    Hardly Bullshido if you make it yourself but don't teach it as anything new or superfabulous. Expect to be generally laughed at though.
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    Originally posted by PizDoff
    Hardly Bullshido if you make it yourself but don't teach it as anything new or superfabulous. Expect to be generally laughed at though.
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    There was a guy at SBG just before I left for college who was a "self taught JKD guy", and it was clear he'd never even hit a heavybag, less even spar anyone. His strikes showed he was confused and didn't know what to do next when he wasn't htiting air.
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    Self Taught: Learning from Experience. Not really Teaching Self.

    Its just sparring really.
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    the_ceramic_camel: greetings
    Shinryu_Kazagame: hi....
    Shinryu_Kazagame: do I know ya?
    the_ceramic_camel: im manchuria off bullshido
    Shinryu_Kazagame: AH!
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Hiya
    the_ceramic_camel: gday
    the_ceramic_camel: so how long have you been into martial arts?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: oh...about 5 years now
    manchuria : cool
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I've only seriously trained for about 2 of those years though...too much on my plate, but thats all changed since I got fired
    manchuria : heh, that does have an effect
    manchuria : so you train now?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: yeah
    Shinryu_Kazagame: nope
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Not any style. I'm not in a school if that's what you're asking
    manchuria : well, i guess it is
    manchuria : and i would strongly suggest you correct it
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I just train on the basics to keep my skills sharp. Good punching, kicking
    Shinryu_Kazagame: ?
    manchuria : well, i self trained for a long time
    manchuria : absorbes bits of this and that
    manchuria : it holds you back
    Shinryu_Kazagame: yeah...I know.
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I'd love to be training at this school here in town...
    Shinryu_Kazagame: But my friend tells me I'd be wasting my time. Its an Animal Styles school
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I've always wanted to learn Tiger Claw...and really be able to use it.
    manchuria : is it the only school in your area?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Oh heavens no
    Shinryu_Kazagame: There are a few schools, just not many I'm interested in
    manchuria : fair enough
    manchuria : the two martial arts i con not reccomend to strongly are judo and full contact kyokushin
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I used to train here www.lcmakc.com
    Shinryu_Kazagame: but stopped cause the teacher seemed like a fakie after learning about wing chun
    Shinryu_Kazagame: His techniques are too souped up. They work in real combat, but too much add ons....get my drift?
    manchuria : yea
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Kyokushin...I trained that long ago in FL...but I was only a Kid. Not serious
    Shinryu_Kazagame: don't know of any schools around here
    manchuria : well kids dont usually go all out
    Shinryu_Kazagame: yeah.
    manchuria : the most important thing about martial arts, in my humble oppinion at least, is not deceiving yourself
    Shinryu_Kazagame: yeah. The reason why I say self taught is not so much learning on my own..but learning through sparring.
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Like, creating my own style to suit my own personality and strengths
    manchuria : well that is a noble thought
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Thanks
    manchuria : but i must say im a bit critical of it
    manchuria : no offense
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I understand, none taken
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I'll never say "I have created the ultimate martial art!" But I will say that I have a style that fits me.
    Shinryu_Kazagame: not now of course
    manchuria : why do you think styles of martial arts evolved, out of intrest?
    manchuria : its just an interesting thing to contemplate
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Well, if I teach you a style that I created 1000 years ago, and you teach 3 people, and they each teach 3 people, by the time it gets here, to this time, it may be hundreds if not more of variations simply because diffrent people do diffrent things.
    manchuria : true, however why do those people choose to learn a style?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: .....you got me there. Its fame?
    manchuria : well that is surely one aspect, fame, reputation, advertising in modern terms
    manchuria : but if something was completely empty, but for advertising, how would it catch on?
    manchuria : the fame would only last one generation
    manchuria : unless it consistently surpassed self taught fighting
    Shinryu_Kazagame: hmmm
    Shinryu_Kazagame: my guess is that it would have to have some substance...to be actually useful in addition to its 'fame'
    manchuria : what about the virtue of organisation?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: organization?
    manchuria : think about this, i can talk to a wing chun player over the other side of the world, i can name a move, and he will understand
    manchuria : i can compete in chi sau tournaments so as to test my skill
    manchuria : all my fighting strategy is organised in ways unfathomable if i was self training
    Shinryu_Kazagame: not so
    Shinryu_Kazagame: well...maybe for others
    manchuria : how is your self training special?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: But when you speak of these things, I know what you mean because I used to train "Wing Chun" and did practice Chi sau with a friend of mine...
    Shinryu_Kazagame: My self training isn't special really. Its just sparring people who train diffrent styles. Boxers, Kickboxers, Judokas...
    Shinryu_Kazagame: I'm still trying to figure out how to spar my best friend without him taking me to the ground. You see what I mean?
    manchuria : yes, and i dont deny it has virtues
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Its not that it is special, its just sparring really.
    manchuria : but do you truly feel you can build a competent base in martial arts completely from scratch in the same time you could by gaining a firm foundation in a good style?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: hell no
    Shinryu_Kazagame:
    manchuria : then why self train?
    Shinryu_Kazagame: maybe I should post that on the board.
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Because, I just feel that it will quicken my skill. As in sharpen it.
    Shinryu_Kazagame: ALSO, cause I'm not in a school now. I plan to remedy that though.
    Shinryu_Kazagame: Its better to train at home than not at all.
    manchuria : i agree
    Shinryu_Kazagame: You mind if I post this on the boards?
    manchuria : not at all
    Shinryu_Kazagame: thanks
    manchuria : we are just establishing that self training isnt a good alternative to a school, but sometimes a nessecary one
    manchuria : so what arts are you considering?



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    Posted On:
    10/07/2004 2:59am


     Style: Karate (Wado Ryu)

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    Originally posted by -=Shinryu=-
    How do you know for sure something that somebody else put together works for you?
    In karate there is a principle called "su ha ri".

    Simply put, this is three stages of development in your training, "su" = copying the instructor, "ha" = developing new technique, "ri" = mastering the technique.

    At the beginning you do what you are told, much later you start to adapt things to suit yourself, finally you have mastered your own style.

    Note that most people wont ever justifiably get to the "ha" stage as you shouldn't be altering techniques until you understand fully the purpose of the original form (though this doesn't stop them from doing so...)
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