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    Thanks guys! I don't really have much of a game between kick/straight punch range and clinch, but that may change by then end of next week.

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    Originally posted by BaguaZhang
    Kempocos ...

    That is one Funny as **** signature~!!
    I know, That is why I stole them from another member called Mike something.
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    After reading Jekyll's threads I bring back an old sig.......

    Do you really train or just bore people on message boards and parties talking about it.

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    I've always been of the opinion that body shots, and specifically liver shots rely on your opponents breathing. Some guys can take hella beating all over their body when they are exhaling and tense. But you nail them when they are trying to get a breath of air and things suddenly change.

    In De La Roya's case he took an excellent shot that completely took him by suprise, then took a left hook to the head. There is no doubt that the body shot was money. It caught him with his arm partially extended. I think the hook to the head dropped him, but the body shot was what kept him there. Hook to the body and the arm comes down. Follow up with the hook to the head. Classic double left hook combo by Hopkins.

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    Yrk,

    It's not entirely breathing, in my experience (no ring experience, just hard sparring)...it's also body position/mechanics. Like you pointed out, his arm is partially extended, which means he can't possibly have his ribs/abs tensed to take the hit. They may not be trying to breathe in, but the simple mechanics of the ribs/body may not allow someone to absorb a punch.

    I only point this out to add to what you said, since this is something I recently realized as I was on the receiving end of a variety of body punches. :(
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    Originally posted by Shumagorath
    So, aside from a spinning heel kick, how is a right-hander supposed to hit another right-hander in the liver with that kind of power?
    Fight both Orthodox and Southpaw. I try them both but I am undoubtably more comfortable in Orthodox, but I feel I am more a threat in Southpaw

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    that makes it even better!

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    I have the perfect kick to attack the liver. ... hm..

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    Originally posted by Shumagorath
    That's how Arturo Gatti won his last fight too. Then there's all those times I've seen CroCop kick people in the liver and they just sort of crumple up and die.
    I was thinking the same thing. Cro-Cop versus Herring or many of Bas Ruttens fights had tons of EFFECTIVE body shots, that led to straight out KOs. Also Semmy Schilts pretty much KO'd Pete Williams with a front kick to Pete Williams solar pelxus. There are a ton of KOs to the body, it's just that the head is eaier to hit imho.

    Also Royce Gracies ground control comes from Rib Punches. You'll see he always does rib punches instantly as they hit the ground in order to soften the opponents strength and then he proceeds to use his speed and skill to take them out.

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    Also, back when it was legal Royce would kick guys in the kidneys with his heel while in the guard.

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    Aiming to do permanent damage to the internal organs to win a sport fight? (The Kidney shots...not sure if the liver is prone to the same damage?)

    That's low.
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