the ultimate

**chinpau** · Posted On: 8/02/2002 3:37am

fake animals? fake credentials? out of shape instructors? terrible poses? cheesy marketing? mail-order tapes, gradings and master certificates!? ..... this has it all. The ultimate mcDojo?

http://www.shaolin.com.au

Edited by - chinpau on August 02 2002 04:01:46

**SDriver** · Posted On: 8/02/2002 9:15am

It seems a little goofy, but from what I saw, there's no pretense that studying there will turn you into a combat machine, quite the opposite in fact.

I think to be a truly wonky McDojo, you have to heal the sick and jump buildings and do chi blasts and send astral spies and ****. :)

**DJ Coldfusion** · Posted On: 8/02/2002 10:56am

Seems like a traditional school with heavy emphasis on "lifestyle" and philosophy.

The curriculum map is extensive enough that I doubt many people ever reach black sash. Which is a McDojo red flag in my opinion since it keeps the students coming back to their "master" year after year after year; however, the Gracies don't exactly hand out black belts either.

Thanks for the link chinpau, I just don't think they really qualify. Then again, those pictures in the social events section are a little weird.

**The Shooter** · Posted On: 8/02/2002 3:54pm

DJ Coldfusion,

The Gracies and other BJJ organizations give out so few blackbelts because of quality control, not profit. People know going into a BJJ curriculum that it could potentially take them 10 years before they make blackbelt, if at all. That discourages a lot of people so it actually hurts profits, not helps.

KC Elbows · Posted On: 8/02/2002 4:07pm

I've never heard of a mcdojo not giving out black belts like candy in order to maximize profits. People are willing to pay big bucks to get a black belt.

So, a long wait for a black belt does not, in any system I've ever seen, infer mcdojo. That's just reaching.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 8/02/2002 4:56pm

I don't think withholding black belts is a Mcdojo practice, it is however a slimy practice perfected by Rorion Gracie.

**migo** · Posted On: 8/02/2002 8:19pm

Rorion's a lawyer, that might explain some things he does.

As far as I know that's a legit Shaolin Kung Fu school.

**Little Idea** · Posted On: 8/03/2002 1:08am

Mcdojo, hard to tell. . .

All I have to say is, "Ground Control to Major Tom"

**Wheels** · Posted On: 8/03/2002 7:09am

It seems a little goofy, but from what I saw, there's no pretense that studying there will turn you into a combat machine, quite the opposite in fact.

I think to be a truly wonky McDojo, you have to heal the sick and jump buildings and do chi blasts and send astral spies and ****. :)

At first I thought it was legit. Then I got to the "Cyber Kung Fu" part. http://www.shaolin.com.au/cyber.htm
Id say swaying towards McDojo.

**KMiller1204** · Posted On: 8/03/2002 4:08pm

I think a better sign of a McDojo is promising blackbelts to everyone who joins...for example, the link I gave earlier to www.hanstkd.com where there's a 5 year old black belt...that's just not right.