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    A question in regards to strength training:

    Should we do the exercises that we can do the most weight with, so that we can recruit the most muscle fibres?
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    Should we do the exercises that are the most difficult to perform, hence recruting the most muscle fibres ?
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    you should do the exercises that are most specific to your goals and/or aid in improving your greatest weaknesses. ergo, I wouldn't reccomend leg press because squat is a superior movement (lower back recreuitment, more glute and ham work, more compound etc.) and for strength goals, and sport training squats are where it's at even though most of the time you can't use as much weight.

    That being said, I wouldn't reccomend a one armed kettle bell snatch on top of a wobble board cause even though it's really difficult and requires a lot of coordination, the time it takes to learn those skills is too great and in addition it's not specific to anything that doesn't resemble a circus act.
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    I usually work out alone, so I do not work with max weight very often. Actally, I don't really have a good understanding of what my max weight for most exercises would be. The Smith-type machine at my gym is not the same as free weights and I've always wondered just how representative the number really are. Generally I don't work out heavy enough, so I try and do exercises I find difficult.
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    I was reading a book, again, called "serious Strength training", and they have a list of exercises that they did the electromyograph crap on, to see whick exercises resulted in the highest muscle fibre recruitment, and some of the results were interesting, namely that, for example, the dumbell bench pressing recruits MORE muscle fibres than Barbell B. press, even with less weight, due to the add stabalising factor.
    Same thing for the overhead press DB VS BB, the dumbells recruited more muscle fibres, even though, less weight is used ( you can't do the same amount of weight with dumbells that you can with barbells).
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    Originally posted by Urban

    That being said, I wouldn't reccomend a one armed kettle bell snatch on top of a wobble board cause even though it's really difficult and requires a lot of coordination, the time it takes to learn those skills is too great and in addition it's not specific to anything that doesn't resemble a circus act.
    Yeah, because explosive movements while keeping your balance have nothing to do with martial arts or fighting.
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    Originally posted by Oddjob
    I usually work out alone, so I do not work with max weight very often. Actally, I don't really have a good understanding of what my max weight for most exercises would be. The Smith-type machine at my gym is not the same as free weights and I've always wondered just how representative the number really are. Generally I don't work out heavy enough, so I try and do exercises I find difficult.
    To find your max in any given exercise, you warm up to a weight you can do fro 6 reps, then you increase it by 10% and do as many as you can, rest a MIN of 3 min, more like 5 though, and increas another 10%, keep doing this till you hit a weight that you can only do for a max of 2 reps ( some say only 1 rep, but 2 gives you a better idea).
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    I will try that when I can get someone to spot me, I've always wondered.

    I do the mojority of my weight training with DBs (no not forms) so it appears I have been doing something right afet all. I was just not comfortably under the loaded bar with no spotter and the DBs just seemed a harder exercise with less.
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    I would say it is absolutely about what is most (safely) difficult to perform, both in terms of the movement choice and manner of performing the movement. Full recruitment will occur so long as intensity is high.

    As for the actual weight on the bar/DB/machine/etc., think about the purpose of the weight. It only serves to impede your movement. It allows you to reach a meaningful degree of inroad in a relatively short period of time. It also allows for tracking of progress and doing so incrementally. It is a means to an end. The absolute numerical value of that weight is 100% irrelevant.
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    Personally, I do most of my training with dumbells for several reasons one of which you (Ronin) already mentioned.
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    Originally posted by mike reese
    Personally, I do most of my training with dumbells for several reasons one of which you (Ronin) already mentioned.
    How is that working out for you Miguel ?
    And how do you compare it to what you did before ?
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