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  1. Aesopian is offline

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    The reason I knew that factoid on the position is because my instructor often ends a demonstration of a technique by going to scarf hold, so someone recently asked about it. He seemed to personally like the position, but expressed how most people would rather go for a more "active" side control, as in one that gives knee-on-belly and mount more easily.
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    one move he does is push my head/neck back and then

    either;

    hook a leg over and choke my neck

    or

    (from the position in pic above) get left forearm under my chin and then somehow flip me onto my back (must have the explosive power to get there) and then do a straightforward forearm choke or whatever evilness you fancy
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    That's odd both of those are easily countered...

    The leg over one is countered by keeping your head low, or stacking if he gose for it.

    The chin push is the classic opening for the head and arm choke.
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    In Judo it is probably called ashi ude gatame, or some **** like that.
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    > why doesn't BJJ like scarf hold? Just not enough options?
    I guess so. You have the two armbars, you can switch to arm triangle choke (kata gatame)... anything else?

    > or is it considered vulnerable to some BJJ move I don't know?
    Yeah, it's called "taking the back".

    Seriously, kuzure kesa gatame (where you underhook the far arm) seems okay, but with regular kesa (arm around neck), I see two problems: a) the other guy can keep you from turning back into regular side mount by blocking that arm, and b) the other guy can shrimp out, get a hook in with one of his legs, pop his head out - voila, back mount. This is a favorit move of mine, being tall and flexible.
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    Originally posted by WhiteShark
    That's odd both of those are easily countered...

    The leg over one is countered by keeping your head low, or stacking if he gose for it.
    I know - but he does it to me*. I think I can make a scarf work well and it is a bit disappointing to be told I shouldn't be doing it *whine*.

    Like I said none of the other guys get out of my scarf holds and after 10 mins of eating glove it can be quite satisfying to start cranking a neck or two

    he does a couple more I cant remember - one is an odd leg lock

    *I find it less painful to argue the details with him
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    An elbow to the face is easily done from that position.
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    Originally posted by Beatdown Richie

    b) the other guy can shrimp out, get a hook in with one of his legs, pop his head out - voila, back mount. This is a favorit move of mine, being tall and flexible.
    that too^^
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    I think kesa gatame is so popular in judo because it's just a pin and you can win a match by keeping that pin for 25 seconds

    I like kesa too if I can get my bicep under the chin and really crank down as I put all my weight into it

    the easiest escape I learned form kesa involves grabbing the top guys belt and trying to get really close so your hip is under his, then it's easy to flip him over
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    Yeah, I've seen that. You use the legs to move his hand back past his shoulder, right? I've only seen people pull it off with the help of a size advantage; I tend to go for the short armbar with the legs instead.

    The guys at my BJJ club tell me not to go for kesa gatama because any good grappler will take my back or at the very least roll out of it. Then again some of these guys are tough to even keep under side control.
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