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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Gen. Douglas MacArthur was a martial artist. The rest of us just like to play patty cake and hug a lot.

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    Not sure if this was mentioned or not, but knights did have grappling and boxing and kicking arts, they just aren't nearly as well known as the Japanese arts. So did the Greeks and the Romans. And knights had a crapload of didfferent weapons that they trained in as well. Your standard knight was just as well trained as any standard samurai was.

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    Swordfighting is a martial art...

    That's all escrima/arnis is.. at the root.

    Blade fighting. A mix of indigenous Filipino material plus
    additional portions of Indonesian, Chinese, and European
    material.

    Stir and cook. Ready to serve.

    And gunfighting IS a martial art. Look at FIST-FIRE for example....
    it's a civilian handgun system *designed* to be mixed with MMA
    maneuvers.

    Look at snipers.. that's a martial art. Bow hunters are martial artists
    (and to be truthful they are MUCH better at killing people than most
    of the people in the TMA/MMA/RBMA crowds).
    let's talk about why fat-fu shall we?

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    In the kung fu I'm learning many of the hand to hand techniques are also weapons strategies. That is, at some point in the motion, you could exchange the hand strike, for a blade draw and cut. I believe this is probably pretty common across many ma's. So, imo, swordfighting is synonymous with martial art, to a degree.

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    Coming out of a FMA background you have to wonder...

    Out of all the ornate foolishness that passes for kungfu
    these days... what were the "war arts" like back in the day...

    I have a theory (which is not supportable AFAIK)...

    Some kungfu styles (especially the good ones) stem
    directly from weapons.. and the weapons were taugh FIRST
    like in FMA...

    The kempo system I've seen.. their oral history claims their
    system is based around broadsword like hsing-i is based out
    of spear.
    They have 5 weapons (double knives, broadsword, spear,
    halberd and something else) and 5 sets. All their emptyhand
    stuff is also done move for move with their weapons.
    They teach emptyhand first these days... but according to their
    oral history it used to be weapons first (starting with the broadsword)
    and much later emptyhanded.

    Makes sense to me.. I wonder if this might be common in the battlefield
    styles of chinese martial arts.... hsing-i 's spear obviously comes to mind.
    let's talk about why fat-fu shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepbluehalo
    Swordfighting is a martial art...

    That's all escrima/arnis is.. at the root.

    Blade fighting. A mix of indigenous Filipino material plus
    additional portions of Indonesian, Chinese, and European
    material.
    Word. Bolos, barongs, kris swords, gununtings, kampilans, sundangs and pinutis.

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