reality martial arts guys vs mma fighters

**spikefighter28** · Posted On: 8/26/2004 6:40pm

how do you think they compare. how do you think would win. for example paul vunak vs chuck liddell in the street

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 8/26/2004 7:00pm

Vunak is old...and Liddel has done training other than MMA...so I'm going to bet on Liddel...but there are guys who use stuff that wouldn't work *coughRoylercough* and would get their ass annihilated.

**JackHanma** · Posted On: 8/26/2004 7:02pm

With or without weapons? Since most RBSD people are armed to the teeth due to their fear of black people I'm going to go with the paranoid-militia type aka knife welding RBSD practioners.

**Hawkeye** · Posted On: 8/26/2004 9:30pm

Where does the stereotype of RBSD guys being afraid of black people come from? From a couple websites in particular or just one or two instructors in particular? I ain't doubting this but very curious.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 8/26/2004 9:35pm

I think that stereotype MIGHT apply to parts of the US...mabye...but everywhere else...WTF are you talking about Jack?

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 8/26/2004 10:54pm

It's a joke taken from one of Strong Machine's posts ripping on RBSD people.

Anyhow, unarmed the MMA fighters win. Armed, the RBSD guys probably know as much about weapons as your average Counter-Strike player, so I give the edge to MMA fighters like Quinton Jackson who play a lot of videogames.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 8/27/2004 7:35am

RBSD = Guns and knives
MMA = sweaty men in tight shorts

Tough call...

**The Crack Taoist** · Posted On: 8/27/2004 7:47am

Ok. Sometimes these categories aren't so clearly separated.

I used to do a TMA, emptyhanded. It sucked ass.

I switched to another TMA, this one filipino, with massive weapons and a reality focus
(but not that adrenal training thing).

Since emptyhand wasn't it's forte and I felt weak there (despite the previous kungfu)
I started studying the whole WW2/Fairbairn thing.

While on deployment I started training a firearm system (I guess this is RBMA but
the system stresses "ability to integrate with MMA maneuvers":::shrug::)

When I get back to TN I'm enrolling my portly ass in the MMA school which teachs
Thai boxing and BJJ.

What the **** category do I go in?

Plain and simply..
If a RBSD fighter is fat and lazy, caught unawares, Mr. Muay Thai will eat his lunch.

If RBSD sees it coming and has a chance to pull his gun, Mr. Muay Thai will
be in trouble.

If Mr. MMA runs up on a trained, in shape RBSD fighter with an "emergency quick
pull" blade (like a Bowen Or Hideaway) and tries to "box" someone with a steel
piercer in hand (who's just buying time till they can open distance and begin tha
droppin o tha hammer)... well... that's ... *interesting*.

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 8/27/2004 9:14am

I don't know about this idea that RBSD guys carry and are able to use lots of weapons. SUre they talk a good talk, but how many RBSD places have shooting ranges? No, what you always hear RBSDers talking about are things like "fighting dirty". Yeah, I guess they usually include carrying knives as a part of that, but... How many of them actually know how to use them with any proficiency?

The truth is, most RBSD guys either don't fight at all in their training, or if they do it is a really, really crappy form of MMA. Either way, in the streets, a real MMA fighter would most likely own them. Individuals vary, of course, but we're talking in generalities here. And generally speaking, RBSD guys can't fight.

Matt

**Matt Bernius** · Posted On: 8/27/2004 9:14am

What do you consider winning? This is something people don't get able RBSD. At least in Blauer Tactical, as I understand it, the entire goal is in a confrontation is to stun and run. They're not looking to submit or even to KO (though like disarms, if either happen it's gravy). They're entire thing is to survive the encounter to make it home to a loved one.

And they're not working from the concept of there being a mutual conscent to fight. So when it comes to the idea of a sparring/fighting match the MMA person has the advantage. However, if the MMA person tries to mug the RBSD person, then things may shift to the other side.

This gets down to who wins TKD or Muay Thai. In a full contact knock down fight, the law of averages say someone in the front row ends up holding Mr TKD's head. In a restricted point sparring situation, the law of averages say that the Muay Thai man is DQ'd about ten seconds in.

So perhaps I'm not seeing the light but it seems the outcome depends on the circumstance.

- Matt