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  1. mikus is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    No, it's a high guard. Both arms are inside, but your left leg is over their right shoulder, and you reclose guard. The Baret Yoshida tapes are GREAT, I think. Especially for the triangle stuff.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Mikus is correct.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    9/27/2004 6:25pm

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     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    How is a leg over a shoulder without having one arm out? Pics?
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    9/27/2004 7:47pm

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    Yea I'm pretty confused here and need visual clarification...what is being described to me is basically holding someone in a guard type position that merely emulated the position that you want to get someone into to triangle them anyways. If you have one leg over their shoulder and bother arms inside, isn't it fairly damn simple to get out of that (no gi at least)?

    Aesopian, does your instructor teach the rubber guard at all? I know you've got long legs, I'm not sure about your flexibility. It was suggested to me and I was having a ball with triangles, oma's, and gogo's from it pre-injury.

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    (The Llama bit my junk but the ref didn't see it).
  5. Pandinha is offline

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    ****, just get on icq whiteshark.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    9/27/2004 8:40pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I love cross-lapel choke from guard. I usually do it from double-hooks in (butterfly), rather than closed. I can get it on brown belts and below (haven't got it on a black belt yet though, but it's just a matter of time). To say no one should get caught with this technique is just wrong. Margarida tapped Fabio Gurgel with this and Fabio had never tapped in a competition before this. Joe Moreira loves this choke too. Ryron loves this choke.

    It might be easy to defend, but so is any technique. If my set-ups are superior, then he's going to get caught.
  7. mikus is offline

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    9/27/2004 11:43pm


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    What exactly is rubber guard? Is that just using a a high guard while using your hands to pull on your legs and whatnot? If so, why does Eddie Bravo get all the credit for it, and not Nino Schembri and others who always use it?
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  8. Pandinha is offline

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    9/27/2004 11:55pm

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    Originally posted by JohnnyS
    I love cross-lapel choke from guard. I usually do it from double-hooks in (butterfly), rather than closed. I can get it on brown belts and below (haven't got it on a black belt yet though, but it's just a matter of time). To say no one should get caught with this technique is just wrong. Margarida tapped Fabio Gurgel with this and Fabio had never tapped in a competition before this. Joe Moreira loves this choke too. Ryron loves this choke.

    It might be easy to defend, but so is any technique. If my set-ups are superior, then he's going to get caught.
    I would like to modify my statement to:

    I have not been caught by this technique by anyone at my level.

    Which is vastly lower than yours.

    :)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    9/28/2004 12:15am

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    To be fair, I never got nor worked cross-lapel choke from guard until I got to Brown belt. Same as Big Dave from my club who now gets it from closed guard and mount. However one of the guys I train with who is also now a black belt has been choking nearly everyone with cross-lapel and ezekial chokes since he was a white belt, even from under mount. However, he is freakishly strong.
  10. WhiteShark is offline
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    Posted On:
    9/28/2004 9:15am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    So I'm only on ICQ/AIM/Yahoo duribng the week, but I am on now...

    How 'bout that picture? I need to see this whacky guard position and I can't find anything on it.
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