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  1. Deadpan Scientist is offline

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    MOVE YOUR HIPS!!! This is one of the biggest things from the guard. Most people try and "make" submissions happen instead of setting them up by unbalancing your opponents by MOVING YOUR HIPS. Also when you move your hips to one side push thier head to the other, when they bring thier head back (to fight your initial attempt) move your hips to the other side and push thier head. You can also pull real hard on one arm and when they counter armbar the other one. It's pretty simple, but you gotta set it up. Good luck!!
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    Yeah, I could see that I do kind just sit my hips there and try to move people around with my arms.
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    Work for a while with no-hands guard passing drills. Only use open guard while sparring. The single most important thing is getting a guard that is difficult to pass, AND being able to shrimp well and escape pins BEFORE they're sunk in. Once your confident that no one can pass your guard and STAY passed, you'll be able to go for armbars and triangles and whatever else until your hearts content.
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    Are the no-hands drills for the person on the bottom or top? and do both use no hands? explain please.
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    Sounds like a lot of great advice already.

    Once you get good at a handful of submissions & sweeps from the guard then I think the key to having a great guard is keeping it active. You never want to just stop and rest (that's when you get passed easily).

    At all times you should be trying for a submission, trying for a sweep, or trying to scoot back and stand up. Keep pressuring with the above 3 options (mixing them up) and you will be a tough person to pass.
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    I know this question was not to me, but I have never worked a no hands pass. I do however work no hands guard a lot to try and stop passes (and work for triangles - which against people who aren't great grapplers, can be done).
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    I didn't really read much of this thread but here are what i teach people having troubles with the guard as an offense.

    A. Always laying flat on your back. This is bad. Your limiting your hip movement if your consantly stuck to the mat. Learn you lay on your sides and control them while still protecting yourself. Be almost like a constant waving ball. this will help your sweeps and set-ups. Plus it will make countering guard passes easier. Matt Thornton teaches a drill where a person stands and holds your ankles. Anytime he snaps your feet to the ground and they touch you sit up. When they come off the ground you go back to your back. Basically teaching if your feet are on the ground your off of it. If they are off the ground your on it.

    B. Angles- Learning proper angles for your submissions will create more offense. When i attack on my armbars i make sure my head is close as hell to the opposite side knee of the arm i'm attacking. that gives me the proper angle and leverage to finish. try this drill.

    Have a partner on top in your guard and we're going to attack his right arm. now follow this count

    Number 1. My feet go to his hips keeping tight to his ribs to prevent pull out. My Left hand grabs the top of his right forearm. My right hand goes across his throat and grabs the back of his right shoulder blade.

    Number 2. Now using my left foot i push off his hip and take my head toward his left knee. While my right knee goes high under his left armpit. Grip stays the same. Now i've hit my 45 angle.

    Number 3. Drag my left leg up his body never losing contact. Drag it across his face and overtop his head. Now pinch your heel down tight and take it towrd your ass making sure your not crossing your ankles.

    Now look at your angle and you should finish your triangles same way.

    C. Hips - Hip movement. Shrimps can be used offensively as well as a defense weapon. Constantly moving them will create better offense. Here are two drills i use

    1. No hands in guard. Guy on bottom can't use his hands. They must stay behind his head all the time. the top guy just tries to pass. He must fully pass with control then start back in guard.

    2. Popping your hips drill. Do your basic triangle and armbars on a partner standing. So you have to pop up to put everything on. This should be done the same way when he is on the ground. Slam your hips into him.

    D. Hooks - Learn to use your feet as two extra hands. It makes your guard ten times better if you can control their legs as if your where grabbing them. I always to teach to mirror my leg position to the upperbody hooks. If my left leg is overtop their back my left arm is overhooking their arm. If my left leg is underhooking their thigh my left are is under their armpit.

    I have a drill for this but i may have to try and video tape it or get pictures to explain it.

    Hope this helps.

    Later, Brad
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    lol

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    Originally posted by WhiteShark
    Are the no-hands drills for the person on the bottom or top? and do both use no hands? explain please.

    Step 1 - Person tries to pass your guard, using whatever methods s/he damn well pleases.

    Step 2 - Don't use your hands and also don't let them pass your guard (use good hip movement and use your feet like hands to prevent passes).

    Step 3 - They pass your guard all the time.

    Step 4 - You get better and they don't pass it as easily.

    Step 5 - You do normal randori, and your guard is much improved.
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