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  1. FukFu is offline

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    Generally speaking, there is the stand-up striking phase of the fight (no grappling yet) and of course there is the fighting on the ground phase of the fight. There is also a transitional phase between the above mentioned phases. My question is; which MA is best at this middle phase of the fight?

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    I'd go with Aikido, Tai Chi and Sumo*. That is of course presuming that you want to stay upright and your attacker on the ground.

    *Please insert your countries stand up wrestling/grappling art. No culture has ever not developed one.
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    It is not the art, but you. But what I can think of an art that COMBAT SCHOOLS IN GENERAL or PRIVATE MASTERS WHO TAKE ON DISCIPLES is probably aikido/hapkido, BJJ, military muay thai, and shuai chiao
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    You know Sam, would you believe I have not found ONE scrap of information on Sumo that didn't involve morbidly obese men in loin cloths awkwardly shoving each other? What's real sumo like?
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    Sumo is basically shoving... as far as I know. There is probably more to it in the past, but these days its just raw strength, a solid base, and a lot of weight. Then you make them touch the ground...

    Some principles from it would be good for shoving techniques for range control and in-fighting I'd think... but a LOT of arts have rules against "shoving" which I find rather annoying...

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    A friend taught me some basic sumo years ago, and there is a lot more skill involved than you think. It takes a lot of footwork, and a lot of hand techniques. Trapping, rolling, there is everything. A lot of the ties and set-ups are also found in wrestling.
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    There is ALOT to sumo than just shoving. Lot of technique and strategy is involved. You think moving that much flesh around the ring is easy?

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    If you know how hard these guys train... It's like the traditional master-disciple system, where it's private and you train at least 5 hours in a day, and learn 24 hours a day by watching or noticing.

    The sumos aren't just fat, big, strong people. They are also faster than you think. Pro sumos punch an average of 7-8 full punches in a second, can do the splits, and if they need to run, they can run for quite a while with their stamina and are explosive running wise, as some are timed at 4.7 on the 40 yd. Not bad for a 400+ pounder, wouldn't you say?
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    12/28/2002 6:46pm


     

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    Thanx for the sumo link Asia

    So far we have;

    Aikido
    Tai Chi
    Sumo
    Hapkido
    BJJ
    Military muay thai
    Shuai chiao

    recommended for the transitional phase between the stand-up striking phase of the fight (no grappling yet) and the fighting on the ground phase of the fight. (We need a name for this phase)

    If military muay thai is like regular Muay Thai, then Iíll say that it is good but incomplete for this phase of the fight.

    I love BJJ for the ground but I canít recommend it for this phase of the fight. Not on the street anyway, itís fine for sport though.

    I havenít any training in the other arts mentioned, but they donít look that good to me.


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     Style: Aikido and Judo

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    "I havenít any training in the other arts mentioned, but they donít look that good to me" LMAO! Its great when someone forms a educated opinion. :)

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