Posted On:12/27/2002 5:13pm
Generally speaking, there is the stand-up striking phase of the fight (no grappling yet) and of course there is the fighting on the ground phase of the fight. There is also a transitional phase between the above mentioned phases. My question is; which MA is best at this middle phase of the fight?
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Posted On:12/27/2002 5:29pm
I'd go with Aikido, Tai Chi and Sumo*. That is of course presuming that you want to stay upright and your attacker on the ground.
*Please insert your countries stand up wrestling/grappling art. No culture has ever not developed one.
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Posted On:12/27/2002 6:29pm
It is not the art, but you. But what I can think of an art that COMBAT SCHOOLS IN GENERAL or PRIVATE MASTERS WHO TAKE ON DISCIPLES is probably aikido/hapkido, BJJ, military muay thai, and shuai chiao
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Posted On:12/27/2002 10:03pm
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You know Sam, would you believe I have not found ONE scrap of information on Sumo that didn't involve morbidly obese men in loin cloths awkwardly shoving each other? What's real sumo like?
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Posted On:12/27/2002 10:43pm
Sumo is basically shoving... as far as I know. There is probably more to it in the past, but these days its just raw strength, a solid base, and a lot of weight. Then you make them touch the ground...
Some principles from it would be good for shoving techniques for range control and in-fighting I'd think... but a LOT of arts have rules against "shoving" which I find rather annoying...
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Posted On:12/27/2002 11:37pm
A friend taught me some basic sumo years ago, and there is a lot more skill involved than you think. It takes a lot of footwork, and a lot of hand techniques. Trapping, rolling, there is everything. A lot of the ties and set-ups are also found in wrestling.
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Posted On:12/28/2002 12:41am
There is ALOT to sumo than just shoving. Lot of technique and strategy is involved. You think moving that much flesh around the ring is easy?
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Posted On:12/28/2002 3:11am
If you know how hard these guys train... It's like the traditional master-disciple system, where it's private and you train at least 5 hours in a day, and learn 24 hours a day by watching or noticing.
The sumos aren't just fat, big, strong people. They are also faster than you think. Pro sumos punch an average of 7-8 full punches in a second, can do the splits, and if they need to run, they can run for quite a while with their stamina and are explosive running wise, as some are timed at 4.7 on the 40 yd. Not bad for a 400+ pounder, wouldn't you say?
Posted On:12/28/2002 5:46pm
Thanx for the sumo link Asia
So far we have;
Military muay thai
recommended for the transitional phase between the stand-up striking phase of the fight (no grappling yet) and the fighting on the ground phase of the fight. (We need a name for this phase)
If military muay thai is like regular Muay Thai, then Iíll say that it is good but incomplete for this phase of the fight.
I love BJJ for the ground but I canít recommend it for this phase of the fight. Not on the street anyway, itís fine for sport though.
I havenít any training in the other arts mentioned, but they donít look that good to me.
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Posted On:12/28/2002 6:03pm
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"I havenít any training in the other arts mentioned, but they donít look that good to me" LMAO! Its great when someone forms a educated opinion. :)
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