first aid for KOs??

**Jenfucius** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 8:08am

jaw thrust baby

**Hannibal** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 8:58am

Yup.

As soon as it happens. Call for an ambulance to take the guy to Hospital.

If it dosen't come for a while, then get his ass in the car and drive him to the damn hospital.

Either way I wouldn't blame anyone for taking the victem to the E.C ward straight away. Its what I would have done.

**JOHN DOE** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 9:35am

make sure he takes time off to prevent 'double impact concusion' or something like that. It causes death in some cases.

**jubei33** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 11:15am

all good advice, thanks punisher, all...
yeah the word on the street is that we used our secret dimmak techniques to give him a mild concussion. <he's fine> Good thing dillman taught us, now we are the d3Adly.

**Antagony** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 12:13pm

Should a person be treated differently if they lose consciousness by choke-out as opposed to knock-out?

**Punisher** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 9:19pm

Should a person be treated differently if they lose consciousness by choke-out as opposed to knock-out?

They're completely separate mechanisms, but I'm pretty sure you'd do the same thing. Make sure the guy is breathing and roll him on his side until he wakes up. If he doesn't wake up in a short amount of time, call for help.

I have a first aid cert, and the first thing my instructor (first aid, not martial arts) told us was you really can't do very much. Just try not to make anything worse and wait for the professionals. Whether or not my martial arts instructor has a first aid cert means nothing to me. If he had paramedic or higher level of medical training, I'd consider it a bonus.

**Maleek** · Posted On: 7/18/2004 9:43pm

I agree with Punisher, that we really can't do to much.

One thing to add. Assuming they aren't out long enough to warrent calling an ambulance, you should probably treat for SHOCK.

NOTE - I would assume it's pretty much manditory for an instrustor to have some first aid training.

**jubei33** · Posted On: 7/19/2004 7:54am

we should go back to the old fashioned way: a shot of whiskey or a dunk of water....

serriously, good advice though.

**Zeddy** · Posted On: 7/19/2004 8:28am

Originally posted by Punisher
There completely separate mechanisms, but I'm pretty sure you'd do the same thing. Make sure the guy is breathing and roll him on his side until he wakes up. If he doesn't wake up in a short amount of time, call for help.

I have a first aid cert, and the first thing my instructor (first aid, not martial arts) told us was you really can't do very much. Just try not to make anything worse and wait for the professionals. Whether or not my martial arts instructor has a first aid cert means nothing to me. If he had paramedic or higher level of medical training, I'd consider it a bonus.

Apart from EAR, I guess not. :(

Around how long would you wait before calling a paramedic?

I remember one jiujutsu guy I trained with for a short while had a bizarre book on resuscitation techniques. Eg. strikes to certain points to restore flow of chi, etc in the case of a KO. Then again, he also had a senior St John's first aid cert. I think it should be made clear that if I stop breathing I want someone to do EAR on me, not start rubbing my ribs. :rolleyes:

**Antagony** · Posted On: 7/19/2004 8:41am

My instructor says that when someone goes under from a choke that it helps to put them on their back, lift their legs up (like supported by your shoulder) while you bend down and rub their chest.