Thread: Sammy Franco's "Open Challenge"
2/05/2005 12:15am, #311
Originally Posted by Roy7
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2/05/2005 5:22am, #312
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i wonder what good ole kimbo is up to these days.
2/05/2005 8:06am, #313
kimbos studying with The Avellan brothers ......gosh I wonder why kimbo isnt going to a RSBD gym? maybe he got enough of "the real streetz" in prison?
Now, you said that gyms dont realisitically train. I know some schools are really intense in their situations - but yeah, you can never accurately recreate the street. But you can recreate a robber going for his gun.
yes, there have been some accounts of idiots losing there gun, but how many more are when some **** sack with legs thinks he's bruce willis? just yesterday in my neighborhood some guy got shot doing the same ****......http://woodwardswhiskey.wordpress.com/
He was punching him like the collective karmic debt he'd accrued was coming to collections, mostly on his face.
2/05/2005 8:44am, #314
Training unarmed disarms is not in any way related to assuming that you will be able to overpower a gunman. Disarms are known not to be high-percentage techniques, but they are certainly possible, and in the situations in which you would employ one, it's not the odds so much (because the odds are terrible or you wouldn't be using it in the first place) but the stakes.
Training unarmed disarms is about avoiding the situation where you find yourself unarmed (which, for all practical purposes, often includes situations where you are armed but have been presented with an armed opponent while your weapon is still holstered) against the gun and completely out of options because you have not trained to disarm a gunman. Nobody who understands gun disarms would recommend assuming that they'll work with regularity, but they are intended for situations where the alternative is death or, at best, submission to someone who has already shown that he's willing to threaten your life to get what he wants.
This is a misunderstanding akin to the way people outside BJJ often think that the BJJ game is bad because it teaches you to "pull guard" and get defensive. If you've studied BJJ (and I haven't, but I know this much) you know that submissions from guard are for situations where you have been forced to employ the guard, NOT a first choice. That's what a gun disarm is, only on a more desperate level.
Training disarms is also part and parcel of learning to employ your OWN firearm at realistic ranges. One of the realistic ranges you might encounter is inside or even clinch, and not only do you want to know how disarms work so that you can understand the counters, but you may also need to incorporate some of the concepts learned from disarms to avoid getting shot first at that range.
There are police officers out there who are alive today because when their guns were taken during scuffles, they stripped the guns back from the subjects before getting shot.
2/05/2005 8:56am, #315
knightmare, it feels like I'm becoming Sammy Franco's defender here, and that is NOT where I want to be. He's obviously a bit of a loon.
However, you have contradicted me and thus triggered my reflexive argument gene, and now I am compelled by the monkey on my back to post arguments.
I will explain this one time and one time only. First, I never claimed that I could not be taken to the ground. That's not the issue of my "open door challenge." Second, you state that the terms of my contract are criminal.....Duh! No kidding! That's my whole point. Hello!!!!! "Reality based" self-defense is about confronting and defending against someone with criminal intent. It's about fighting for your freaking life. Period.
Third, who the hell said anything about using Dim Mak or thumb gouges in my arsenal. When I say, no rules, I mean...NO RULES. I can use anything from a knife to a kitchen sink to destroy my opponent. I can have my buddies work you over with baseball bats when we are both locked up on the ground or I can pull out my 9 mm and blow your ****ing brains all over the wall ....Anything goes in Sammy Franco's open door challenge. Get it!!
My point is that a person would have to be clinically insane to accept such a challenge. However, law abiding citizens are forced into this challenge everyday. This is what true self-defense is all about. Are you learning anything?
Your post clearly demonstrates a "sport minded mentality." When are you going to get it through your thick skull that "sport anything" is not my bag. It never has been and it never will. Winning and losing is bull ****....living and dying is what counts. Are you catching on yet?
You also stated that you are a prelaw student in NY State. Wow! That's real impressive. LOL! However, based on your myopic analysis of my previous posting, it looks like you should definitely consider another career. It's self evident that your reading comprehension and analytical reasoning skills have much to be desired. I wish you luck - you are certainly going to need it!
My main point is that we're 20 pages into this and we still have people saying "HAhahaHA, he thinks that contract is legal! He thinks he can murder people and the court will lets him goes! Hes stupd im smart hurblefuffleROFLCC!!1!" All this when Franco stated way back when that he intended the challenge to be ridiculous and illegal.
I'm not defending him, I'm picking on people here. It's a fine line, but I think I've walked it well.
2/05/2005 11:58am, #316Originally Posted by Roy7
2/05/2005 3:49pm, #317
Originally Posted by Ignorant
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2/05/2005 11:07pm, #318
Originally Posted by It is Fake??
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I asked and he said I put too much weight on my front knee during the takedown and that I shouldnt have done it on the pavement.
He made me practice it a 100 times afterwards -so I guess it helped in the long run.
2/07/2005 12:47pm, #319When, schools like Senshido are just as intense as any MMA schools yet change certain aspects to be better adapted towards more unpredictable combat.
Military and law enforcement always try and address gun/knife situations - are you telling me that all the training they do is pointless and useless?
But of course - I'm that troll you're talking about.
All perfect troll behavior.
2/07/2005 10:13pm, #320
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