2/14/2005 2:12am, #1
"But then it isn't Chi Sau anymore"
So I was at a psytrance party this weekend. Guy out on the floor was doing his kung fu, looked like some kind of internal **** but then it would, he's not about to go flailing his fists around in the middle of a psytrance party. Get into a conversation with him, looks like some Hung Gar, some Wing Chun, some Tai Chi, little this, little that. An enthusiast.
Late, late in the evening, I'm wandering towards the back when I spot Yogi Bear and this guy doing the internal kung fu dance: You know, the free-hand flowing block-centric slow-motion slappy fighting? So they dance around for awhile, get bored eventually, stop. I say that it's very interesting what they're doing, but why don't they ever clinch? The guy's all 'what' so I start the internal kung fu dance, get an elbow, clinch the head, pull low, and do a nice gentle o soto gari. All of this at the appropriate hippy pacing and use of force. He sort of comes down and wraps one of my legs with both of his, and looks at me like "ha, but I have one of your legs!" This I'm willing to ignore. I help the guy up and say something about that's why I wonder why they don't clinch, and he says "but then it wouldn't be Chi Sao! Chi Sao is like this" and sticks his arms out again like a champ. Bridge, get head, one underhook, o soto gari, at the speed of interpretive dance. I get the leg wrap again, and extricate myself this time.
Yogi Bear makes some sort of crack about what a brute I am. This, incidentally, has nothing to do with the Judo and everything to do with the Xingyi. He says "Where is the art!" so we start the slow-motion slappy fight dance, I get an arm, and Yogi is kind enough to let me execute a harai goshi into kesa gatame.
Afterwards I spread the gospel of Bullshido, so, perhaps this fellow will turn up around here yet. He's in Wisconsin so we're not too likely to see him for Throwdowns and whatnot.
Moral of the story: Tai Chi hippies can be taught the rubbishness of their pushing hands without having to harsh their mellow. Just ask for a round of freeform push hands, pummel them gently, and dump them.I would liken it to the boxing or the muay thai of internal kung fu, even though that's like calling apples the oranges of the apple world. --WalkOn
2/14/2005 2:19am, #2
wtf is that on ur avatar
2/14/2005 2:46am, #3
Of course, as I understand it, the point of chi sao isn't to realistically spar, but rather to build some narrow aspects of some particular skillset.Best Vietnam War music video I've ever seen put together by a vet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDY8raKsdfg
2/14/2005 2:51am, #4
Originally Posted by EternalRage
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2/14/2005 3:00am, #5
The exercise known as chi sao (and that known as pushing hands) requires the tacit agreement of both participants to prevent it evolving into slow-motion clinching practice.
That, if anything, is the point.I would liken it to the boxing or the muay thai of internal kung fu, even though that's like calling apples the oranges of the apple world. --WalkOn
2/14/2005 3:16am, #6
Psytrance and goa is the ****, and you're the man for liking it.
Who was playing?Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
2/14/2005 3:19am, #7
Shai, S.O.T, Kaizer Soze, Derby, and Dan Efex. Locals, in other words. It was a good night.
Infected Mushroom came around weekend after New Years. That was something else.I would liken it to the boxing or the muay thai of internal kung fu, even though that's like calling apples the oranges of the apple world. --WalkOn
2/14/2005 3:27am, #8
Well, it's cool that you have locals into that sort of thing. I've always been a SUN Project fan.Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
2/14/2005 5:36am, #9
You were at a dance ? The "Clinch" is not top of my dance move list, it's somewhere near the bottom with the double leg and the guard pass."You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
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2/14/2005 5:42am, #10