Posted On:7/08/2004 11:08am
Style: Chinese Kung Fu
Ikken Hisatsu ,
You are SO completely and totally correct. I stumbled on to real Muay Thai on my last visit home and although it didn't even come close to stealing my heart from Baji!!! it was the most FUN I'd had in years. The idea of doing 'smoker' matches was something that came up when I was training there. I'd say my single favorite thing about MT was just the clear inevitability that I would have a chance to 'rumble'. The teacher was pretty clear that competition was good and was always bragging about how many champions he'd trained. But...alas......I am not in LA and I would like to do the same sort of thing with the style that I AM learning.
I have another problem.
I honestly don't know of ANYWHERE in China that does MMA. The closest thing is Sanda, which at least includes throws but it precludes elbows, forearms, knees and groundwork. I've got my traditional teacher who teaches all bodily weapons, excellent standing grappling but no ground work and you can't really 'spar' with him. You can try to attack but he will hurt you. So I'm thinking I will need some period of time at an MMA gym in LA or Japan depending on where I fight to get used to the rules, equipment, enviroment etc.
Any idea what's reasonable? I'm really not sure how to go about this. But is HAS added some great extra 'spice' to my training when I have it in mind that I want to get in the ring within a year. My teacher suggest just going the K1 type route but to me it seems like, exciting as the format is, it's too far removed from what I am training towards. In the meantime I'm just focusing on finding some Judo instruction, doing more weight training, skip rope and adding a lot of conditioning to take blows.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Especially ideas on how long I should expect to need to spend at an official MMA gym 'adjusting' if I go through with this.
Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
Bah!!! Puny Humans.
Posted On:7/09/2004 6:59am
Omar,check this out for MMA:
"People think that judo is only unarmed combat - but you are never unarmed when you can hit someone with a planet. "
- Uncyclopedia entry on Judo
Posted On:7/09/2004 10:24am
There's another one I know about: www.wohsai.com but it's mostly just news and articles. Noone ever posts there.
And there's this precious clip (warning!!! it's huge and in Chinese) :http://184.108.40.206/movies/wxz.wmv
It's really kind of funny. If your bandwidth is good it's absolutely worth watching even for non Chinese speakers. It made me laugh...er ...smile.
Posted On:7/09/2004 10:21pm
Actually i have seen that vid already(though only part of it due to link problem),if i am not wrong it is a Chinese equivalent of RBSD, "wu xian zhi ge dou"(unlimited fighting)~~~
What do you think of it?
Posted On:7/09/2004 10:29pm
Okay what exactly were those guys doing?!
Screaming insane crazed monkey on crack with a nunchucku fu?
That was the weirdest video i've ever seen in my life no exaggeration. Those guys were really into it too.
Posted On:7/09/2004 10:32pm
What?You can watch the whole vid?
Posted On:7/09/2004 11:01pm
Based on how they use the term on the local discussion boards and in the local magazines I would have thought "Wu xian zhi ge dou" meant 'NHB'. But then when you add in the interviews and the news reporters it looks like it really was the Chinese version of RBSD. Both phenomenon are kind of new in mainland China so there the terminoligy may be still evolving. The literal meaning is "no limits fighting".
Mainly it was a 20/20 type news documentary. The nunchuku thing was a mytery to me too but it is worth mentioning that firearms are vitrually non-exisstant in mainland China outside of the military. So that changes the way you look at some things. I also think they were intentionally showing the more sensationalist aspects to make it more entertaining. Some of the talk show type interview were talking about the emphasis on groin and throat attacks and the difference between this stuff and traditional forms training, safetl issues, moral issues etc. I thought it was a real good sign for MA in China. Not that I thought what I saw was good skills but just that the old "Martial Arts are for health only!" policy appears to be finnaly dissolving.
The link that Liuzg put up is a good one showing the increasing awareness and interest in MMA too. If the start including a real MMA curriculum in the Wushu Universities along side Sanda then you will finnaly start seeing some serious cometitors from mainland China and hopefully some of the old traditional stuff will start adjusting the training. It's my opinion that Sanda really falls short of the mark technique-wise but probably has the best style of training. I really want to see more Sanda style training and sparring within the framework of traditional styles. Baji for instance has many more tools than Sanda but still lacks the opportunities for full contact competition.
So despite the spaz-fu of the clip, it's a good sign.
Posted On:7/09/2004 11:08pm
p.s. I downloaded in with mozilla which lets you download it a bit at a time. I just started it one night and left the computer running. The next moring it was done.
Posted On:7/09/2004 11:14pm
What??!!! You left your computer running for a night???!!!:eek:
Anyway actually i had read about the interview with the founder of the system---Chen He Gao.I think the video is what it is(seems like mad monkey kungfu)~~~
MMA is now just at a starting point,but MA in China as a whole is now moving towards fighting,which is good to me(i think it is much better than Singapore).I remember few years back there is a xingyi full contact fighting tournament,unfortunately they can only use hand techniques......:(
Yeah trad. CMA should move on for a change too~~~
Just something to share,Omar,this is my newsroom,sometimes there are martial art articles updated,i am not really free right now so bear with the slow update:
And a treat for you:D:
Posted On:7/09/2004 11:42pm
I'll have to check it out after lunch. Since yesterday afternoon my ADSL has been slower than dial up. I think it's all the construction going on in the area. The infratstructure here is pretty unstable at times. Power outs happen way too often and sometimes I lose my internet for days at a time. Today it's just super ultra slow.
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