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    nice FAQ

    just to add "wing chun strikes have no power" should be on the FAQ
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    Question: Why do you Wing Chunners like the vertical fist?

    Comment: I have no problem with WC except when WC practitioners try to compare it to boxing and clearly don't know **** about boxing; that and when they talk about the vast universe of WC ground fighting.
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    Damn good question - i'll ask my sifu the specifics, but i believe it's related to getting the elbow behind the punch.

    As for comparing it to boxing - i hope you weren't referring to my comparision of punching power in the FAQ - especially seeing as how it was a boxing coach who told me that i had a good right cross.
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    Originally posted by Das Moose
    Damn good question - i'll ask my sifu the specifics, but i believe it's related to getting the elbow behind the punch.

    As for comparing it to boxing - i hope you weren't referring to my comparision of punching power in the FAQ - especially seeing as how it was a boxing coach who told me that i had a good right cross.
    Your comparison was correct for a change but many WCers on this board have made incrediblely stupid remarks like "boxers punch slow because they turn out the elbow" or "the speed of the WC chain punches make it more powerful a boxer's 1-2" or "WC punches don't tense the muscles" ...etc.

    The major question about the vertical fist is about where is point contact? The larger knuckles (support from the index metacarpal and middle metacarpal) or the smaller knuckles? The does the elbow alignment put pressure on the ulna-wrist or radial-wrist articulation?
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    Verticle fist is just another strike that some argue you can get alot of force behind. When you strike with a verticle fist you tweak lower knucles out more and it gives you slightly more penetration. Muay Thai use similiar punches as well, They have some hooks where you over rotate your wrist and have your first on differnt angles to touch differnt targets like some vital organs under the ribs. Its mianly used in hand trapping situations i think though, like straight blast down the center line say after a pak sao or any other trap that allows you to blast down there open center line. Im sure they are not the only reasons just a couple that i have been told.
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    They have some hooks where you over rotate your wrist and have your first on differnt angles to touch differnt targets like some vital organs under the ribs.
    so they are teaching you to bend your wrist as you punch in some cases? that does not sound very wise. did i misunderstand? have you tried punching hard with the wrist bent? what did it feel like?
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    The only MT i do is through JKD. I have instructor books on MT and it shows several blows where the wrist is not bent but the fist is not horizontal or verticle. They say its for hitting idffernt tragets of the body, One thai punch we did learn in JKD was either from a jab or a cross and instead of hitting with a horizontal fist you keep rotating so your pointer and middle finger are on the bottom, they say you acheive more penetration. Thai is all about penetration. Personally ive never done this punch sparring.
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