Sorry Das Moose, we're poisoining your thread, sorry.
Note to self: Never talk about wing chun or star trek.
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Das Moose, congratulations on explaining how WC works wiht real sparring. Leung Ting would be very proud. I am alao a WC student, but I haven't trained in a long time. My sifu is not famous but his sifu is, I believe his name is Wong Siu from L.A. I think our school does light contact sparring. So sifu tries to impliment other styles and we have to apply WC techniques. This does help us expand our knowledge of other styles. From my knowledge, not alot of chinese wc schools use other arts for sparring( light or full contact). It is to my belief that the sifu wants the student to learn the technique and apply it againts other wc practitioners. Therefore, one who understands and can use their wc to defeat other wcner's, then he or she is capable of taking other styles down. That is the mindset of most Chinese wc instructors that I know. From the lack of sparring with other styles and going to prize fights and losing, I believe this is where wc practitioners fail and bashing begins.
Once again, thank you for pointing out wc applications in the prize fights that your sifu has competed in.
Good work Das Moose
I won't read the whole thread though, from page 4 or something it becomes the normal WT/WC bashing...
"like chasing your tail"...sad but true
My brain just exploded with this thread !!!
Shumgaroth: Thole point of the FAQ is that every two or three days, and sometimes more often, we get yet another "WC: bullshido?" thread, or something similar. I like this forum, i enjoy discussing things with people, but it pisses me off when yet another n00b starts a WC thread that just rehases the same debate. Strangely enough i haven't seen any karate threads anywhere near that often.
Thanks for the support everyone. Didn't do much, just restated my points on the whole thing ;-)
For some, the biggest issue they have with Wing Chun and MANY CMA, including the IMA, is that form and function don't go hand-in-hand.
You look at a Thai boxer and how he trains, his form, his techniques, are constant.
Same thing with a judoka, or GJJ practitioner, or a boxer.
How you see them train, practise, do their techniques, is the same as when they fight.
BUT, when to CMA, and in this case Wing chun, more often than not, that is NOT the case.
You rarely see Wing Chun done in a fight as it is done in training.
And that goes for the vast majority of CMA.
And when you do see them fight, what do they look like? Kickboxing.
See what I mean?
Ronin69 - very much agreed. However, a direct quote from my sifu last week is "When you spar, it should look like Wing Tzun. If it doesn't, you're not doing it right." the senior students then proceeded to do a totally open drill (described in FAQ) which yes, did look like Wing Tzun.
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