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  1. Thai_Kick is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Last year I was at an amateur MMA competition watching the heavyweights go at it. The 3rd fight was a Mantis Kung Fu practitioner against a JKD guy, and it was shortest fight of the night. The Mantis guy did a funky bow and form before the ref started the fight, which made me laugh. The fight started, and the Mantis guy was using a Mantis guard and stance, then he "attempted" a low Thai style kick, but the JKD guy clinched and took him down for some good old ground and pound, and won in 12 seconds.
    Also in a lightweight fight, a Wing Chun practitioner fought a Muay Thai/Sambo fighter. The Wing Chun guy throw a back hand which hit, but then the Muay Thai fighter clinched (Thai style/stand up) and began to knee him in the face repeatedly until the Wing Chun guy collapsed, this fight took 45 seconds.

    After the fights no one understood why the Kung Fu guy's were even there? They weren't prepared, and it looked like it was their first times every getting hit.



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    Southern mantis has low kicks, and an effective tactical approach, but if you don't fight, you aren't a fighter.

    **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The fight started, and the Mantis guy was using a Mantis guard and stance, then he "attempted" a low Thai style kick, but the JKD guy clinched and took him down for some good old ground and pound, and won in 12 seconds.
    Is it just me, or is a low kick possibly the dumbest ass move you can try on someone who knows grappling? I swear, half the "striker gets taken down by grappler and subbed in 20 seconds" matches I've ever seen were decided when the striker thinks it's a good idea to make the grappler's job easier by throwing a low kick.

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    I tend to agree, but it can be done. A shin stomp in a clinch is the kind of thing you might do in a real fight, but not the ring.

    **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    Low kicks do work in the ring, BUT the only fighters that I have seen using it with success were Muay Thai fighters; Wanderlei Silva, Murilo "Ninja" Rua, Jose "Pele" Jons, Marco Ruas, Helio "Soneca" Moreira and others all have used low line Thai kicks against grapplers with success.

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    >We are part of America...in fact, we're the BEST part of America...NORTH AMERICA.

    I always thought CANADA was just a place where we kept SPARE Americans.

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    I was looking through some old photos of when I was teaching at a school in OK. The school taught Kyokushin Karate, Shaoling Kung Fu and Gymnastics. (the gymnasitcs classes was early in the afternoon. the other classes were at night)

    There was this undeclared fued and tension between the KF guys and the Karate guys. I was sort of caught in the middle. I taught Karate but wanted to see how the KF was so I trained in it. Friday was declared OPEN FIGHT NIGHT (ANYONE from ANYWHERE could come in and fight. BAREKNUCKLE and the fight was over when one person quit. Some fights did get really ugly.) by the Karate guys (I help pushed this along) but offically it was a time when BOTH KF and Karate pple could come in and work on whatever they wanted. Eventually FRIDAY OPEN FIGHT NIGHT prevailed. Only ONE KF guy ever came in to fight, Doug. I loved him because when I was in the KF class and they would have an smart remark about the karate class, which was never said directly to me because the knew I would hit them right away, he always just said, "Well go and show them how much better you are." Doug was also the ONLY one that went to any fighting tournaments with us. He is a great example on how it is the PERSON more than the art. With SHAOLIN KF he held his own against some tough brawlers, even me. He was tough and didn't like to give up and didn't back down. The way he is going I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up in KOTC or something.

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    "I love you Asia" - I Give BJJs Posted - December 25 2002 : 10:40:09
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    RIP SOLDIER

    Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
    -Gene, GODHAND

    You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
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     Style: Submission Wrestling.

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    "Is it just me, or is a low kick possibly the dumbest ass move you can try on someone who knows grappling? " - not true at all - low kicks are used often - in many of Tito Ortizs, Vanderlei Silva's and Frank SHamrock's fight for instance. They're not a stupid thing against a grappler - and a high kick is a good thing?

    In Muay Thai you CAN grab the leg, so they would be trained for that, plus the MMAists know grappling, they know what to excpet. Low kicks hurt, and after a few you won't want to stay standing anyway! This is one of the reasons why shooting in happens aftera a low kick as landed - they hurt, you want to grapple.

    The clinch is used with low kick styles too (again, like in muay thai) so it;s excepted - but the Kung Fu (Prey Mantis) stylist did Kung Fu, not kickboxing so what was he doing? He didn;t know what else to do I think.
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    I did the above post without even looking at "Thai Kicks" post - he is correct.

    Asia - you taught Kyokushin????
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    Low kicks work, even against grapplers. Take a look at the UFC fight where Mark Coleman gets knocked out by Pete Williams. Pete set it up with a series of low Thai kicks, then threw a waist-level kick when Coleman, an awesome wrestler, tried to grab the leg. Pow, right in the face. Of course, Coleman was gassed, so that probably helped too. The one fighter who completely amazed me with the speed and power of his low kick was Bas Rutten. Pedro Rizzo would be a close second.

    Asia - You forgot a movie (Canadian Bacon). Worth watching just for the scene at the hockey game.
    "I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."


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