Kountering the Klinch

**Bang!** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:14am

One of the guys I train with semi-regularly will often try to clinch me when we're doing stand-up. He's quite a bit bigger than I am (he's got about 65 pounds on me) and--while it's big fun to stand for hours at a time, trying to prevent myself from taking knees to the head--I'd really like to be able to escape from that position fairly quickly.

Sometimes I'll twist my hips and move in to throw or away to duck under (dangerous, I know). Shooting in also seems fairly risky, because I think I'm fucked if he sprawls well--all too easy from that position. Any suggestions?

**Ronin** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:18am

Kick him in tha nads.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:26am

But if you are serious...
You can try for a standing arm lock, jumping arm bar, slip down to a ankle lock, go behind him for a belly-to-back takedown, cross kick his front leg, an armbar takedown, a sacrifice throw, even a sneeky uppercut to creat an opening for a jumping spinning splits kick followed by a 2 1/2 twist and a full gainer !!

**kismasher** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:32am

tani otoshi

www.judoinfo.com

**blankslate** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:33am

Bite his nose off.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:33am

the clinch is a fun position. a couple fairly easy techniques to try to counter:

if you can get to the side a bit, try tani otoshi.
if not try stepping across the body for a sweep (the name escapes me).

**Bang!** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 10:57am

I checked out tani otoshi at JudoInfo.com . . . it looks like a variation of TCC's single lotus to me, i.e. twisting/pulling down the torso, while sweeping the leg as part (the opposite side, really) of the same circular motion--only letting yourself fall sidways as you do this. From there, you land on his shoulder, controlling his arm. Is that correct?

**Ronin** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 11:01am

basically, yes.
Its one of the easier to apply sacrifice throws/sweeps.
Hard to do IF the guys is in a deep stance clinch, but if he is lazy and his legs are close...

**Locu5** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 11:17am

it looks like a variation of TCC's single lotus to me

not far off at all, though i think of it in the judo language because it is where i first saw the move (in college). looking at it from a TC perspective, you may want to look at it as a splitting action with some foot position and body movement as brush knee.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 6/29/2004 12:15pm

I like to roll to mount as I do this throw, check oput my Tani Otoshi thread for a good video. If it's strictly stand-up you are pretty fucked with that weight disadvantage(assuming similar skill). Take a look at Thai clinch work too. There may be some openings you haven't seen especially if he leans forward at all.

Direct link to Tani Otoshi video: http://www.judo-for-all.com/Theory/T...ani-Otoshi.htm