Posted On:6/24/2004 8:53am
although I don't know if this is what you're thinking as standing joint locks
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Posted On:6/24/2004 8:57am
Style: Canadian Shidokan
You counter ikkyo by using the flip over heel kick.
You counter nikyo by stabbing to the eye with a pencil.
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Posted On:6/24/2004 9:21am
Now Ikkyo I could see being dificult to counter with Tani Otoshi.
BUT the one they were working on was very similar to Nikyo. Perhaps some extra twisting on the wrist would have stopped me I certainly wasn't grimacing as much as that uke is.
Posted On:6/24/2004 10:25am
When done properly, nikkyo is one of the most painful and hard to get out wrist locks around.
Posted On:6/24/2004 10:52am
Style: MMA, Boxing
What is the difference between ikkyo and nikyo?
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Posted On:6/24/2004 10:57am
ikkyo targets the shoulder whereas nikkyo targets the wrist, forearm, and elbow
also nikkyo is almost exclusively used to counter a grab as its damn hard to get wrist control from a strike
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Posted On:6/24/2004 11:11am
(generalisations follow, lots of different ways to describe these two, including - there's no real diff)
Also positioning of arm - ikkyo, wrist must be above the elbow to have any control and can be done almost painlessly as it's intent is to use the arm as a lever against the body. The intial move using ikkyo has the elbow attacking the body (normally through the shoulder as mentioned) in a circular strike.
The nikkyo as shown relies on you taking all the slack out of the arm and you should have that slight bend in the arm for the rotation of the wrist to be nice and effective. You're essentially rotatating the wrist in one direction while at the same time rotating the elbow int'other and normally cranking on the pain.
Yep, nikkyo's bloody hard to put on at any point, even from a grab as they can normally snatch their arm back back unless you have them off-balance and/or they are very intent on the grab (for example, trying to stop you using a weapon)
Posted On:6/24/2004 12:06pm
actually I've found that nikyo can work on the ground when you're in someones guard and they're trying to push you away by puttin their hands on your chest, and the same goes when your on the bottom side too by someone trying to hold you down
Posted On:6/24/2004 12:08pm
but I was trying to answer the specific question....... using tani otoshi to counter said joint locks after they're locked in......
Don't worry WS, when I come up to Atlanta I'll be more than happy to experiment on you ;)
Posted On:6/24/2004 1:33pm
Where as ikkyo is an "immobilisation", nikkyo is an lock/break.
I have used nikkyo and have had it done on me when I was younger and foolishly tried to resist and got my wrist "popped".
The secret for nikkyo is the hand that applkies the pressure on the wrist joint and the "wringing" motion.
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