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  1. Nid is offline

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    Posted On:
    6/16/2004 2:18pm

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     Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    "Advanced" meaning....complicated?
  2. Ronin is offline

    Merry Christmas Bitch

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    Join us... or die
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    well, bunnyman, that is subjective, no?
  3. simps76 is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Originally posted by Anthony
    What are we in High School, fucktard?

    Oh wait, maybe you are.
    My point is, not everyone considers Helio the
    grandmaster Dumbass Nutrider.
  4. NHB_Ben is offline

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  5. Pandinha is offline

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    Posted On:
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    supporting memberhall of famestaff
     Style: Muay Thai & BJJ

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    Originally posted by simps76
    My point is, not everyone considers Helio the
    grandmaster Dumbass Nutrider.
    Was it calling you a fucktard? Or maybe implying you're still in highschool that hurt your wittle feelings?

    ::Y A W N::
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  6. Dochter is offline

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    Posted On:
    6/16/2004 4:45pm

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    Its funny, this site is in part about martial myths and yet ones like Helio transformed all groundwork to what we see today remain.

    I mean come on, there were lots of people training together and focusing on ground work, of course it progressed. Did helio do a lot for bjj, duh. That doesn't excuse idolatry.
  7. Nid is offline

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    6/16/2004 4:45pm

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    Beav,

    Just wondering what you mean by advanced, since it was in quotes.
    Last edited by Nid; 6/16/2004 4:48pm at .
  8. Guy Mendiola is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Originally posted by simps76
    I dare you to go tell that to Carlson. Helio is one of the founding fathers, but not THE founding father.
    True, If Carlos Gracie hadn't passed away then he would've been the Grandmaster.
  9. Dochter is offline

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    NO NO NO! BJJ is entirely the creation of Helio, who took the techniques and made them effective for people smaller than their opponents.
  10. JohnnyS is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It seems to me to be ridiculous to say Kosen Judo puts BJJ to shame without any proof, except for what you've seen in books.
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