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  1. Pandinha is offline

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    Originally posted by danjo
    Go to another BJJ school. Roll with others at your same approximate rank and time in JJ. See how you stack up. If you can, take a few of you and try this. See how you all do compared to the rest.
    I agree. Danjo is correct.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  2. katana is offline

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    Originally posted by danjo
    Go to another BJJ school. Roll with others at your same approximate rank and time in JJ. See how you stack up. If you can, take a few of you and try this. See how you all do compared to the rest.
    A good idea. Also does your school compete in tournaments? How do they do in these competitions? I've found that BJJ schools have a very strong pride in their students and want to show it off in competition. It helps keep all the BJJ schools training hard and learning new things to get an edge for a win.
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    Lol... the **** version of JJ, I don't think you would be learning **** under a Gracie...
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    Anyone know if the Relson Gracie lineage is like that?

    I'm a little too green to be able to tell.
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    Let me clarify a few things. The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Gracie's teach exceptional jiu jitsu. There are just a few bad apples that want to live in the past, and teach non-family members shitty stuff for exhorbanant fees. I point squarely at Rorion/Helio and Reylson as prime examples.
  6. Beneath Contempt is offline

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    I think it's rather strong to label them bad apples just because they want to teach in a particular way.

    I'm not a Torrance Academy fanboy by any stretch, but there are a lot of BJJ/GJJ guys here. Let's hear if that's the first hand experience of a few more people.
  7. blankslate is offline

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    Originally posted by Yrkoon9
    Let me clarify a few things. The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Gracie's teach exceptional jiu jitsu. There are just a few bad apples that want to live in the past, and teach non-family members shitty stuff for exhorbanant fees. I point squarely at Rorion/Helio and Reylson as prime examples.
    You should post your "GJJ < BJJ" as an ARTICLE on the front page. Its important enough to get more exposure and more discussion.

    I've seen numerous reviews of the Rorion Gracie material and they continually say "basic", "behind the times", etc. In defense of Rorion he seems to emphasize that a fighter doesn't need hundreds of techniques but needs core fundamentals.

    At any rate, your post is very important and potentially outlines the dangers of stagnation and selfishness that can creep into even the most progressive of fighting systems.
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