Double Arm-Bar + Triangle Choke?

**Stick** · Posted On: 6/16/2004 3:24am

Wow, I have to say, when I saw the title of this thread I was thinking "psshaw, right! HA! PIZD IS NUTS!" But damn, that pic was just so clear. I hadn't even thought of triangle from side control.

I'll give that a try during warmups or something, just see if I can get there. Somehow doubt I'll be nailing that in competition any time soon.

I've never had a problem with doing an arm-bar and triangle simultaneously or transition from a triangle to an arm bar with ease if the triangle isn't cutting it, but a double? Crazy ^_^

**Guy Mendiola** · Posted On: 6/16/2004 3:31am

That is off the chain, man I should go and learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu soon.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 6/16/2004 8:12am

Yeah, I know you want one of the guard, the typical way you would apply the triangle, but I don't have any pics of that, though I am searching for it.

The way I have done it has been like this:
You sink in the triangle, pull the dangling arm ( his right or example) under one of your arms and slip that same arm under his elbow and grap your other arm with said hand, tighten the triangle and lean back on the arm bar.

I know its hard to explain in words.

**NHB_Ben** · Posted On: 6/16/2004 9:20am

I tend to see the maneuver a lot more in judo competitions than in bjj. It's a common 'turtle' breakdown.

**ClintEQ** · Posted On: 6/16/2004 7:37pm

I have been taught that same thing Ronin.

**Strong Machine** · Posted On: 6/16/2004 11:08pm

There are several high percentage transitions to a triangle from side.The above is the most well know.
But from regular side(not hipped out as in kesa) you just need to have his arm between your legs, now you underhook his far arm and roll backwards so he is now on top.
He is in a triangle.
Heres another, you got side, his arm is stuck out
(i am across him right to left, so his right arm is stuck out) so my left knee slides up high, near his head, trapping his right arm out under my left armpit.
Now I grab his left wrist with my right hand and raise up, locking my elbow and putting my weight on his wrist.
My right leg is thrown over him(cause my weight is on my right hand my ass is light) my left leg coming over knocks my right arm off as my right leg encircles his neck,
CRUCIALLY, I do not just lock up the triangle, rather my left hand grabs my right instep.
I base my right hand to my right, rock slightly to my right and figure four my legs.
DO NOT ROLL TO GUARD WHEN YOU GET THE TRIANGLE.
It is safer to stay in mount.
This triangle is almost identical to the most common triangle from mount.
Triangles from side are a huge part of my game.
To see perfect execution on the triangle pictured aboce check out Renzo vs sakate(?) is Rings KOK 99.Which is probably the best event I ever saw.
Renzo breaks his arm in a reverse armbar done off of the above triangle.
Regarding triangles...
Those very good at them (Barret Yoshida, Mino,etc) think of the triangle as a position.
NOT a submission.
Sure, it submits guys quite alot.But average fighters get a triangle and wait for a tap.Very good fighters get a triangle and further increase their position, and often get other subs to finish.

**CrashStitches** · Posted On: 6/17/2004 3:53am

Originally posted by ronin69
Yeah, I know you want one of the guard, the typical way you would apply the triangle, but I don't have any pics of that, though I am searching for it.

The way I have done it has been like this:
You sink in the triangle, pull the dangling arm ( his right or example) under one of your arms and slip that same arm under his elbow and grap your other arm with said hand, tighten the triangle and lean back on the arm bar.

I know its hard to explain in words.

Now that you mention it, I remember being taught something very similar at my old school. Didn't seem very realistic or likely to happen, however.

**CrashStitches** · Posted On: 6/17/2004 4:00am

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***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 6/17/2004 9:17am

Everyone needs to read that again:

Regarding triangles...
Those very good at them (Barret Yoshida, Mino,etc) think of the triangle as a position.
NOT a submission.
Sure, it submits guys quite alot.But average fighters get a triangle and wait for a tap.Very good fighters get a triangle and further increase their position, and often get other subs to finish.

**Antagony** · Posted On: 6/17/2004 5:40pm

Re: Triangle as position.

I noticed that too as we were working on some triangle techniques the other day. He kept showing things to do to an opponent once you HAVE them in triangle. Took me a minute to figure out why he was doing this because I have mild brain damage.