Genbukan Ninpo Bugei

**Muffdiver** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:31am

I am almost thinking twice on sending this thread....But screw it...here it goes

Is Genbukan a good way of learning Japanese Jiu-Jitsu ? They claim it on their site ( KJJR ) and what is exactly the difference between JJJ and BJJ ?

Please be gentle...I ran out of lubricants :-)

* Grabbing my ankles *

**Zeddy** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:34am

Japanese Jiujitsu from what I understand can vary a lot. One place I've seen focused extensively on standup grappling, locking and weapons, while another had strikes, standup locking, weapons and groundwork.

BJJ on the other hand focuses heavily on taking the opponent down and submitting them via choke or limb damage.

Sorry, can't help with the Genbukan question though.

**Te No Kage!** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:41am

I believe Genbukan is an offshoot of Bujinkan = NINJA!

**Muffdiver** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:42am

Thanks Zed.. for the reply...

I am asking because there is a Dojo close to the area, and since I do not have a clue on what to look for I am asking for feedback. ( yes...I did use the google tool ) but my familiarity in reality for JJJ is 0. I checked out a BJJ class over here by me but they focus extensivly on Groundfighting. I was thinking JJJ might be better in terms of balance of stand up and ground...

**Matsufubu** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:45am

Originally posted by Te No Kage!
I believe Genbukan is an offshoot of Bujinkan = NINJA!

Kind of, but it's a seperate organisation altogether.

JJJ is more rigid with more stand up fighting; BJJ is more fluid and flamboyant, but you have to get your ass humped by semi-naked men.

**Muffdiver** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:46am

Originally posted by Te No Kage!
I believe Genbukan is an offshoot of Bujinkan = NINJA!

Yes, that is true, however from what I have read in other forums they are far more respected. Is that true in your guys opinion ? Not to many MA forums like Bullshido to ask around on :-)

**Zeddy** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:56am

[i]JJJ is more rigid with more stand up fighting; BJJ is more fluid and flamboyant, but you have to get your ass humped by semi-naked men. [/B]

The comment re: JJJ is very true in my admittedly limited experience. Expect lots of prearranged combinations at the beginning as a form of drills.

What kind of BJJ you been looking at? Flamboyant to the general public, I'd say no. To the slightly more educated peoples, exceedingly sweet when something is pulled off with beautiful efficiency.

When I saw Royce armbar my instructor, I finally understood what one of my old sensei meant by "It makes you want to go off and have a tug".

Not that I wanted to, but I understood his idea. ;)

**Budd** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:56am

The scuttlebut that I've heard is that they're (the Genbukan's) grading requirements are more stringent and uniform. Whereas the Bujinkan instructors can set pretty much any requirements they wish up to 5th dan, at which time you must test before either Hatsumi or someone serving as his acknowledged representative.

**alex** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 7:58am

this might sound cliched, but its generally the teacher not the art. however BJJ schools tend to be much higher standard because its harder to advance in rank. I would recommend taking the bjj and doing something like boxing or muay thai to supplement your stand up striking, unless it is a good quality JJJ school that works both equally well.

**Muffdiver** · Posted On: 6/11/2004 8:17am

Originally posted by Ikken Hisatsu
I would recommend taking the bjj and doing something like boxing or muay thai to supplement your stand up striking, unless it is a good quality JJJ school that works both equally well.

I agree with you on the teacher being a big factor...
Also, I wish I had the time and the money to do 2 seperate arts, but I dont. So that is why I am trying to balance it all out in 1. Thanks for the tips...