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    So where does Shuai Jiao fit in comparison to the other grappling arts?

    Im just thinking this over and wondering if the Chinese jacket wrestlers have anything over the other grappling arts out there.

    BJJ has its whole ground work focus which is awesome, plus its got throws, locks, takedowns

    Judo has throws (though the sport side has some restricted moves) but also has a ground game which Shuai Jiao apparently doesnt

    Sambo is Judo plus leg locks minus chokes


    Does Shuai Jiao have anything other than it's sumo-esque rules of having to stay on your feet?

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    SamboSteve, Jack Rusher or DerAuslander would be qualified to answer this question. Unfortunately, these members no longer post here very often anymore. I am not qualified to answer your question since all I know about Shuai Jiao is from what I've read. I seem to recall that it has some similarity and/or influence from Mongolian wrestling which is an excellent jacket wrestling art.

    To me, grappling is grappling. There are simply different rulesets that have shaped the different aspects of it.

    Here are a few previous threads:

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao
    Shut the hell up and train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    SamboSteve, Jack Rusher or DerAuslander would be qualified to answer this question. Unfortunately, these members no longer post here very often anymore. I am not qualified to answer your question since all I know about Shuai Jiao is from what I've read. I seem to recall that it has some similarity and/or influence from Mongolian wrestling which is an excellent jacket wrestling art.

    To me, grappling is grappling. There are simply different rulesets that have shaped the different aspects of it.

    Here are a few previous threads:

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Shuai+Jiao
    Shall have a read, just seems to me it could be argued it's incomplete due to the lack of ground game or submissions as opposed to total throwing focus

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    I think Shuai Jiao has applications in sport MMA. How much application? Not sure, but as MMA goes global and forays into China, Chinese MMA fighters will bring Shuai Jiao into the forefront. We can already see this now with Sanda/Sanshou.

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    I did some work with Lavell Marshall, who is a Baoding Style Shuai Chiao player last month at the Mid-West Sambo Camp where he was one of the guest coaches. It was interesting and he was burying most of us with his throws.

    The rules were fairly simple in that the goal is to put your opponent on the ground while you stay standing. If anything but your feet touches the ground you lose points. Widespread MMA crossover would probably be difficult since there is no groundwork in the style which is a glaring deficiency in that sport. It has a big showing in Sanda as the scoring for throws matches up with the scoring in Shuai Chiao.

    Given the chance I would train Shuai Chiao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Dempsey View Post
    I did some work with Lavell Marshall, who is a Baoding Style Shuai Chiao player last month at the Mid-West Sambo Camp where he was one of the guest coaches. It was interesting and he was burying most of us with his throws.

    The rules were fairly simple in that the goal is to put your opponent on the ground while you stay standing. If anything but your feet touches the ground you lose points. Widespread MMA crossover would probably be difficult since there is no groundwork in the style which is a glaring deficiency in that sport. It has a big showing in Sanda as the scoring for throws matches up with the scoring in Shuai Chiao.

    Given the chance I would train Shuai Chiao.
    The rules remind me of Sumo in that regard. I would consider it, but not over the Judo or BJJ I do currently. In any case, if the Sanda curriculum has so much of Shuai Jiao in it, would it not be more rounded to train sanda?

    Does Shuai still use leg grabs btw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjonghng View Post
    The rules remind me of Sumo in that regard. I would consider it, but not over the Judo or BJJ I do currently. In any case, if the Sanda curriculum has so much of Shuai Jiao in it, would it not be more rounded to train sanda?

    Does Shuai still use leg grabs btw?
    All the wrestling styles in N. Asia look pretty similar and are likely descended from Mongolian Bohk, so no surprise there. Would Sanda be better to train over Shuai Chiao? That would be entirely dependent on the school and coaching I would think. Most Sanda I've seen in N. America has been really shitty, and outside of the Combat Shuai Chiao organization my impression of Shuai Chiao here is pretty negative too. Judo and BJJ would almost certainly have consistently better coaching and training partners.

    Shuai Chiao has always allowed leg grabs and doesn't have gripping restrictions

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