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    There are a couple of things I have issues with:

    1. I don't find useful the social-asocial/anti-social model, I think the affective-predatory model is more useful.

    2. Self defense needs to be put in relation with the cultural and legal environment and without forgetting there is a continuum of force, OP seems to imply one has only two options: walk away or unleash the deadly.

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    Thanks for your reply, Kovacs.

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    thanks, DCS. I haven't heard of the affective-predatory model, I'll look it up.

    As for continuum of force, sometimes it seems like going from 0-200 miles per hour, from no force to lethal quickly. However, I can see why b/c the methodology I studied is modeled on criminal violence . The doctrine is built around this and states that those who are the best at doing violence are simply the ones doing it consistently, read: criminals. Thus, it really has no place in civil society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchelltactica View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I'm having a hard time your response from the formatting code. I see I ruffled some feathers. Please note, I've also gotten pacifist-type responses from the other side of the spectrum in saying not to do anything at all.

    - Yes, I agree, violence can be either social, asocial and as well, as anti-social. I was trying to illustrate the responses used in asocial wouldn't be appropriate in social situations and vice-versa--without going into too much terminology, details for first-time readers.

    Clearly, you are experienced so this articles doesn't relate to you. Social violence can be a form of communication, but asocial is completely devoid of it.

    - I disagree with you about using violence to solve problems in the context of daily, social life and society. Examples provided are suffice, e.g. somebody spills your drink

    - My sources, cases, methodology, quote: Tim Larkin, Target-Focus Training

    - You're right, properly socialized people and people who know the cost of violence are squeamish to violence. Some more than others, which I was trying to illustrate.

    Ok, once again you seem to be trying to portray both experience and a lack of the mental scars that come with it.

    Let me try and illustrate this in a way you can understand.
    First of all, self defense is a legally defined term. Period. There is no further need to discuss when it is justified beyond that, because in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, almost every local jurisdiction and under international laws, self defense is a legally defined term. When it is justified is spelled out in the laws of the place you are at.
    There is no excuse for ignorance of those laws. You will not be given ANY leniency by a court or arresting officer based on the fact that you had second-hand information.
    At no point in your article did you link to a good source for even ONE primary source document for the laws of self defense. Watch how easy it is. Even I can do it.
    https://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA_LAW_BOOK.pdf

    Done.

    My experience level is irrelevant to the quality of your article. I was looking at it from the POV that "Would I want to send this link to one of my beginner students asking about self defense?" The answer is no. Too many unrealistic assumptions. No sourcing. And completely ignores the complex realities of violence both in and outside of a sporting context.

    The first thing that you need to realize is that violence is a complicated subject and that even cursory study of it outside of a sporting context touches on almost every social and political science field.
    Law, psychology, sociology, economics, political science... the list goes on.
    If you want to play with the big boys in this game, you need a working knowledge of all of the above. That doesn't mean you have to have a degree in it, but you DO need to be comfortable with the terminology and careful with your assumptions.

    Now, if you had said something like, "Here is a beginners guide to self defense laws." and sourced it with some actual primary sources, then went on to illustrate some examples from your life and experience, you would not be getting such harsh feedback.

    Instead, you made a bunch of assumptions, then went on to create a false dichotomy with very little to back it up.
    As one of our supreme court justices might say, I DISSENT. Or to quote our very own Holy Moment, PENIS.

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    There is a source, it is listed in the bottom of the infographic, thanks for your comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchelltactica View Post
    There is a source, it is listed in the bottom of the infographic, thanks for your comments.
    Regurgitating other peoples second-hand information is not linking to a primary source.

    Watch. Let me show you how it works again.

    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u...E/htm/PE.9.htm

    There you go.

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    Just in case anyone missed his entire point of posting
    http://mitchelltactical.com/recommended-resources/
    Everything on this page I have bought and used myself. I will never recommend any product or service that I don’t believe is valuable. The one thing I ask of you is that if you’re going to sign up for services, please do use my links so that I get credit for referring you.

    Self-Protection For the Everyday Person
    I came across Target-Focus Training after my friend was stabbed to death on the steps of my high school in 2003. Target-Focus Training made me realize how fragile human body really is. It doesn’t take years to learn and you can expect to have a massive paradigm shift in your thinking.

    You don’t need to be bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic than your attacker. Learn how to leverage your bodyweight, his vulnerable body parts, what real violence is and how to destroy the human body. Yes, you can learn how to effectively use violence in a self-defense situation from a DVD like I did since 2003. Even better is a live training seminar, which I did in October 2007.
    So we have a video taught self defense expert with one live seminar who is selling TFT (Target Focused Training).

    He doesn't know what the **** he is talking about or he has completely screwed the pooch with his website and left off any applicable experience besides video learning and a live seminar. Maybe his About Me page has more details.
    http://mitchelltactical.com/about/
    My Story
    I joined the Canadian Army as an artillery soldier in 2002. Upon enlistment, I immediately noticed that many soldiers both young and old have injuries or pain, particularly in their joints. So that’s what I like to blog about.

    In 2003, my buddy who enlisted with me was swarmed by a gang and stabbed to death on the steps of my former senior high school. This lead me to self-defense lessons or reality-based self-defense.

    I searched for what works from books, DVDs, videos, manuals, seminars and much more. I believe in a DIY, low-tech, high-concept, minimalistic approach when you only have yourself to rely upon.
    So yeah ...
    I hope this all also explains my slightly aggressive warning about his future attempts at spamming this forum. I will update my warning to tell Mitchell that he CAN post links in this thread in case he wants to change his bio or infographic. Cause I am curious as to how this will play out.

    Be warned tho Mitchell, each of our Staff has a different moderation style and one of the other Staff or Mods may tell you something different. Listen to which ever one is more strict. We will fight it out behind the scenes.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchelltactica View Post
    Thanks!
    You are welcome and are not qualified to teach self defense in any manner you video learning poser.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchelltactica View Post
    The doctrine is built around this and states that those who are the best at doing violence are simply the ones doing it consistently, read: criminals. Thus, it really has no place in civil society.
    I understand this is Mr. Larkin view and you train in his system (Target Focus Taining). Is this a good example of what TFT is about and how it is trained?



    Do you have experience in other systems?

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