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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    It seems even China is on board with this as they have announced a proposed switch to electric vehicles.

    It's funny that the dumbasses bitching with the standard republican talking points in this thread are now more ass-backward than fucking China.

    Come to think of it this means they're losing the excuse of "China so it doesn't matter what we do". Yup that one's gone now.
    China has been suffering an electricity shortage for decades. Enough so that factories in some areas have regularly scheduled shutdowns. As in monthly. They're working towards renewable energy but have a long, long way to go. Note that of their renewable energy, the majority is by hydroelectric. If the Three Gorges Dam ever collapses, that part of the world is in for some serious hurt. Earth quakes are a distinct possibility.

    https://blog.energybrainpool.com/en/...ed-generation/
    The incredible growth of renewables in China is certainly impressive. The challenges are however also daunting. Transforming a power system with 1000 GW of thermal generators, most of which are coalr-fired, will be a huge effort. In addition coal-fired power plants are arguably one of the most important sources for heating many of China’s northern mega-cities during the winter months. A district heating infrastructure – huge compared to the European one – has been build up and billions have been invested there as well (Source: ThinkChina). The reliance of the Chinese power sector on coal is and will therefore still be huge for years to come.



    Water and air pollution in China are widespread. It is estimated that 70% of China's fresh water is polluted. Add the fact that production of solar cells produces large amounts of toxic chemicals and it's an issue to be dealt with by a nation that is notoriously corrupt at all levels when it comes to environmental impact.

    Good for China that they're looking at the issue. Thinking they're going to be able to go to electric vehicles anytime in the near future is ludicrous. Add population growth and increased standards of living, i.e. more energy consumption, you get more to deal with. They have to produce the electricity to power the cars.

    Bnet. Your assertion above shows you've paid little attention to the actual issue while continuing to post attacks from a position of ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ermghoti View Post
    It's not a matter of space, it's a matter of storage. Neither solar or wind provide energy on demand, and electricity can not currently be stored or transmitted long enough distances efficiently. If you want zero emission electricity, nuclear is the only game in town, and the people who are clamouring for reduced emissions loudest are opposed to nuclear for non-scientific reasons. As mentioned above, breeder plant technology is ancient, and should have been in place 30-40 years ago, at the latest.
    The old "Not in my backyard" holdup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    China is also working on a big storage project for energy generated by solar and or wind.
    It seems like they want to be able to breathe or something. The sad thing is we will fall behind in that technology due to fucktards who want to go back to coal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    It was ALOT more than just one failed company.

    Amonix Solar: manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.

    Abound Solar: Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy.

    Beacon Power: Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.

    Ecotality: ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, .....

    A123 Solar: A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.

    Evergreen Solar: Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.

    Ener1: Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.


    All that failure despite hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. When you can't survive in a free market despite the infusion of that much Government 'investment', you are not a viable solution.

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    If our market was in fact "free" you might have a point, but playing against a house that stacks the deck isn't the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    China has been suffering an electricity shortage for decades. Enough so that factories in some areas have regularly scheduled shutdowns. As in monthly. They're working towards renewable energy but have a long, long way to go. Note that of their renewable energy, the majority is by hydroelectric. If the Three Gorges Dam ever collapses, that part of the world is in for some serious hurt. Earth quakes are a distinct possibility.

    https://blog.energybrainpool.com/en/...ed-generation/




    Water and air pollution in China are widespread. It is estimated that 70% of China's fresh water is polluted. Add the fact that production of solar cells produces large amounts of toxic chemicals and it's an issue to be dealt with by a nation that is notoriously corrupt at all levels when it comes to environmental impact.

    Good for China that they're looking at the issue. Thinking they're going to be able to go to electric vehicles anytime in the near future is ludicrous. Add population growth and increased standards of living, i.e. more energy consumption, you get more to deal with. They have to produce the electricity to power the cars.

    Bnet. Your assertion above shows you've paid little attention to the actual issue while continuing to post attacks from a position of ignorance.
    It's almost as if you either are allergic to clean air or you're waiting for some cloud person to save the day. Notice how the ONLY country not looking at green energy is us?? It's funny that you guys keep arguing about something that every fucking scientist in the world says you're wrong about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    If our market was in fact "free" you might have a point, but playing against a house that stacks the deck isn't the same thing.
    Lmfao!!!!

    If any deck was stacked, it was stacked to help those companies. Again, they got hundreds of millions of Government money and still went belly up.

    Keep making excuses for failure.
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    If this 'green energy' nonsense is all you are touting it to be, put your money where your mouth is.

    Invest your money in those companies.

    But stop forcing us taxpayers to have to put our dollars into these boondoggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    The old "Not in my backyard" holdup.
    That is I think part of it. The real problem is what to do with waste that remains radioactive for centuries. The native Americans seem tired of it getting dumped on their lands. Maybe they can dump it in your backyard??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Lmfao!!!!

    If any deck was stacked, it was stacked to help those companies. Again, they got hundreds of millions of Government money and still went belly up.

    Keep making excuses for failure.
    That's bullshit and you know it. The oil companies have too much to lose to ever let wind or solar really take off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    It seems even China is on board with this as they have announced a proposed switch to electric vehicles.

    It's funny that the dumbasses bitching with the standard republican talking points in this thread are now more ass-backward than fucking China.

    Come to think of it this means they're losing the excuse of "China so it doesn't matter what we do". Yup that one's gone now.
    I wonder where china will get the energy to manufacture and charge all those cars ?

    Right now they are burning a ****-ton of coal for electricity.

    Not saying it's impossible, or a bad thing, however, that's a long term project. But with a highly directed economy like theirs, they can make things happen.

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