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    I think you're falling into the same trap that bnet has. I don't actually believe that tripe. It's the philosophical question that fascinates me.

    As martial artists, we often take the tack that you can't know something unless you've experienced it. How many of us have actual, demonstrable experience that the world is not 6,000 years old? I'd wager close to none. We take it on faith in the word of those scientists that did the due diligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    I think you're falling into the same trap that bnet has. I don't actually believe that tripe. It's the philosophical question that fascinates me.

    As martial artists, we often take the tack that you can't know something unless you've experienced it. How many of us have actual, demonstrable experience that the world is not 6,000 years old? I'd wager close to none. We take it on faith in the word of those scientists that did the due diligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    I think you're falling into the same trap that bnet has. I don't actually believe that tripe. It's the philosophical question that fascinates me.

    As martial artists, we often take the tack that you can't know something unless you've experienced it. How many of us have actual, demonstrable experience that the world is not 6,000 years old? I'd wager close to none. We take it on faith in the word of those scientists that did the due diligence.
    No, we trust the word of scientist and in any case we ourselves can put the work and ingenuity needed to check scientific claims. Regarding divine beings we have to operate on faith only for there is no way to prove or disprove their existence, that's why they are divine (supernatural, metaphysical...) beings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    No, we trust the word of scientist and in any case we ourselves can put the work and ingenuity needed to check scientific claims.
    That's what I just said, reworded so that you can understand it and seem contrary at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    That's what I just said, reworded so that you can understand it and seem contrary at the same time.
    Your wording leads one to believe there was no way to verify, as if it parts of it must be taken on faith, the way the whole of religion must be.
    When reality is the exact opposite. All of science is testable and reproducible if not, by definition, it isn't science..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Your wording leads one to believe there was no way to verify, as if it parts of it must be taken on faith, the way the whole of religion must be.
    When reality is the exact opposite. All of science is testable and reproducible if not, by definition, it isn't science..
    What I was attempting to express is not that laymen *can't* do the work (well, that's actually very true for a lot of things, but that's a whole other conversation), it's that they *don't* do the work, because it's so much easier to just "trust the word of scientist[s]." In many respects, it's not at all different than "believing," in a religious sense. We're just replacing "because God said so," with "because Science said so." Should Organized Science ever attempt to deceive us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...il_controversy), we're in for a world of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    What I was attempting to express is not that laymen *can't* do the work (well, that's actually very true for a lot of things, but that's a whole other conversation), it's that they *don't* do the work, because it's so much easier to just "trust the word of scientist[s]." In many respects, it's not at all different than "believing," in a religious sense. We're just replacing "because God said so," with "because Science said so." Should Organized Science ever attempt to deceive us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...il_controversy), we're in for a world of trouble.
    That's funny I just thought you were trying to troll me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    That's funny I just thought you were trying to troll me.
    Trying? LOL! I was doing great, until DCS chimed in.

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