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    Heavyweight V Heavyweight Takedowns/Throws/Sweeps

    I had my first tournament and I performed...not so well. I found the first thing I need to work on though. And so here I am asking. What are some high reward, low risk ways of getting a fellow heavyweight off their feet? Any recommendations? I am looking for ways to improve my game there.

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    Blue belt with no wrestling experience. BJJ/Judo training. So any moves are welcome.

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    If you say you've Judo experience, I can't think of much to say in that area...

    I like wrestling style take downs though. I have a lot of success with double legs, and switch to singles, then a sacrifice if it doesn't work. I walk at heavy, and compete at superheavy, so you can definitely get a fellow heavy off of their feet with them. If you've no wrestling experience though, it's something you'll have to drill a lot, and learn to deal with sprawls and such before attempting them in competitions. Sounds like you got something out of it though which is good.

    That's just me though, if you've Judo experience perhaps one of the Judokas might have something to offer that'll suit your game better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsteryank View Post
    If you say you've Judo experience, I can't think of much to say in that area...

    I like wrestling style take downs though. I have a lot of success with double legs, and switch to singles, then a sacrifice if it doesn't work. I walk at heavy, and compete at superheavy, so you can definitely get a fellow heavy off of their feet with them. If you've no wrestling experience though, it's something you'll have to drill a lot, and learn to deal with sprawls and such before attempting them in competitions. Sounds like you got something out of it though which is good.

    That's just me though, if you've Judo experience perhaps one of the Judokas might have something to offer that'll suit your game better.
    Yea. My judo is not standard Judo as we go by Brazilian Jiu jitsu rules. So wrestling is and grabbing legs is allowed. I guess technically I'm super heavy. They were just referring to us as heavyweights at tournament (hard to get guys into that bracket I guess).

    I definitely like single and double legs. I just don't do them often. I think people tend to defend them well...or rather...I just do them wrong and slow.


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    I am a big fan of Ko-uchi gari in to either Harai Goshi or Uchi-Mata, whichever you are comfortable with. Unless they are taller than me, then it is Tai-Otoshi or Drop-knee Seoi Nage/Seoi-otoshi. Those are my go-to weapons. I have also used a drop-behind O-soto gari that works pretty well. I walk around at heavy-weight BTW. Although I did compete at middleweight for a while and will be getting back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcerTempest View Post
    I am a big fan of Ko-uchi gari in to either Harai Goshi or Uchi-Mata, whichever you are comfortable with. Unless they are taller than me, then it is Tai-Otoshi or Drop-knee Seoi Nage/Seoi-otoshi. Those are my go-to weapons. I have also used a drop-behind O-soto gari that works pretty well. I walk around at heavy-weight BTW. Although I did compete at middleweight for a while and will be getting back to it.
    Nice. Thanks man. I definitely have done those. So I can work them into my game. I noticed that I really wasn't that much shorter than anyone in my division. But I was heavier. So it should work


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    Imho Collar drags > shots in the gi.

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    I am a taller HW so I do a lot of upper body clinching. I like to tie up and grip fight. I do a lot of sacrifice throws, head and arm throws, trips, Russian Tie , Georgian Grip and

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    Then there is Vieria.....

    They call it drop Seio Nage but it's more of a uke otoshi with a same side morote grip.

    I like the throws where I use my own body weight falling to make the throw.

    I use everything he does here.

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    Also, I HIGHLY recommend listening to Rayce. He is a very experienced competitor with a good knowledge of both Judo and BJJ as arts. He won't steer you wrong with this stuff.

    That being said, some other things to think about.
    Whatever take-down you do, you will need to learn what off balance FEELS like. That, IMO, is the number one reason beginners do not get many clean take-downs.
    The number 2 reason, is NOT ENOUGH REPS. Seriously, whatever you are doing, do NOT just get shown something once, do it a few times and then start trying to force it through in randori or competition.
    Please, for the love of Christ, DO SOME REPS. Cooperative training is FAR more effective at building specific skills than competitive training.

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