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    “From: Rod Wheeler

    Subject: DellaCamera Interview

    April 25, 2017 (9:00 am, EDT) (Rod Wheeler reporting)Met with Det. DellaCamera of the Metropolitan Police Department, at my office in Oxon Hill, MD. Det. DellaCamera shared the following information:

    He is the lead Homicide detective on the investigation surrounding the murder of Seth Rich. He stated that the investigation is somewhat stalled, as he has no suspects or persons of interest in the case. Further, upon being asked specifically about what the working theories are surrounding the death, he said he ‘still believes’ Seth’s death was the result of a ‘robbery gone bad’. He believes that the suspect (s) may have attempted to rob Seth and was met with resistance from Seth, and thus decided to shoot and kill him. He further believes the assailants are from the LeDroit Park section of Northwest Washington D.C. because that is the direction that an eyewitness observed two males running towards, the night of the incident.

    DellaCamera stated that he (police investigators) have exhausted their search for any additional video surveillance footage that may be out there. He indicated that he has checked with several persons who may have had video footage along the route in which Seth walked the night of the incident, but to date, he has been unable to find any additional video. DellaCamera stated that he has check[ed] the local McDonald’s restaurant in the area as well as other surrounding businesses but have [has] been unable to find any additional video.

    Lastly with regards to video, DellaCamera states that there was some video surveillance footage that came from a small convenience store on Flagler Street, but the video quality is extremely bad and there is nothing on the video that anyone could see that could assist with the investigation. Further he states that on the video, you could see the bottom half of two individuals walking across the street on Flagler Street and then moments later you see Seth Rich fall into the video view in the crosswalk on the street in front of the convenient store. DellaCamera said he has a witness that observed two people running in the immediate area the night of the incident, however, they did not see the actual shooting incident.
    At this point, DellaCamera voluntarily stated that the whole “conspiracy” story really “threw things off with the investigation.” He heard that Seth was an email leaker; however he states, “I’ve got nothing to say or show that the shooting was related to emails or anything other than a street robbery.”

    When asked specifically was there any information located on any of Seth’s computers that would indicate that he did in fact send emails to Wikileaks, DeilaCamera replied, “there is certain information that I can’t provide regarding the case itself, and I hope you understand, like I said, I can’t reveal detailed information about the case itself.” “I have strict, strict rules by my bosses, because of what this case is, that says don’t provide information out, other than what is already publically out there. I just can’t go into detail with what I know.” At this time DellaCamera was asked is it a possibility that emails were found on Seth’s computer related to the DNC and this could be a motivation for his being killed? DellaCamera replied, “anything’s possible; I can’t say one way or the other . . .”

    DellaCamera was then asked, “was the FBI involved, at all in the case?” He replied, “I don’t know; I mean, I never was contacted by the FBI at all.” “As far as I know, they (FBI) never provided me with information.” “I would hope I would know if they were involved, but I don’t have any knowledge of them being involved.”

    At this time, DellaCamera stated, “I know you’re a private investigator, and whatever information is revealed, I just hope it doesn’t go towards the media side of this.” “I’ve tried to contact Jack Burkeman and Julianna Assuage [it should be Julian Assange] several times, but I haven’t been successful. I just want to ask them what they know and if they can help me with the investigation.””I think Burkeman is blowing smoke . . .with his knowledge of what happened.””I even heard he has now created a website surrounding the murder.”

    DellaCamera was told that the family were told by me (Wheeler) that regardless of whatever direction the investigation goes, we need to solve the murder, identify the bad guy and get him off the street. So in keeping with that spirit, I need to “rule out” the possibility that Seth’s death could have been related to his job at the DNC. I (Wheeler) haven’t been able to rule out that someone from the DNC could have been responsible for Seth’s death.

    DellaCamera was asked, “were you aware that Seth was having problems with two supervisors at his job (DNC) and he was very emotionally upset because of his problems at the DNC?” DellaCamera replied, “I was aware that there were problems, but I don’t know who the supervisors were that he was having problems with.” Next, DellaCamera was asked if he was aware that Seth received money from WikiLeaks in exchange for the emails” Did you look into his (Seth’s) financial records? DellaCamera replied, “again, I can’t go into details with specifics about the case such as that . . .I really can’t. Nothing against you, Rod but I’m just not trying to get myself jammed up.” DellaCamera was asked, “so the higher-ups in the department are very aware of this case?” He replied, “Oh yeah, for sure.”

    I asked once again about the email records. I informed DellaCamera that we need to “disprove” the theory that Seth was killed because of this job at the DNC. DellaCamera stated, ‘honestly, put it this way, if Seth worked anywhere else other than the DNC, nobody would give a **** about his death. The only reason there is such interest is because of where he worked.” DellaCamera was asked, “so why is that?” He replied, “again, it goes back to the DNC. . .a political organization and it all started stemming from around the time of the election…and it sounds like someone was trying to ruffle feathers…I mean that’s what I think.”

    Wheeler asked DellaCamera, “but Seth’s death could have been a hit, ordered by the DNC, right?”

    He replied, “um, me personally, I don’t think it was a hit because he wasn’t shot in the head. If you’re going to make sure that they die . . . Seth didn’t die right away. . .he lived for a while and died at the hospital.” Wheeler asked, “and he never made any statements as to who could have shot him?” DellaCamera replied, “I can’t go into detail about that (sniff)…um, I just can’t Rod.”

    Next, Wheeler asked, “so is it possible that he could have said something in terms of who did it (shot him). DellaCamera hesitate, and said, “um . . .it’s possible: anything is possible…””I mean what I’m getting at with it being a hit, I mean, if you want somebody dead where is the one place you’re going to shoot them…in the head right. You want to make surethey’re dead…not shoot them in some other part of the body where you don’t know if they’re dead or not. . .you don’t know if if they’re dead or not. . . you don’t know if they’re going [to] live to give information out, and you might get yourself caught up… so that’s why everybody got their theories. I got mine.”

    DellaCamera was asked, “here’s a fair question, can we rule it out that Seth’s death is definitely not related to the job?” He replied, “not, not to an extent…not just yet…we can’t rule anything out…””I feel that if its related to the DNC, at some point, it may come out.” “If somebody gets locked up, and they’re like, I’m taking the heat for this, and their [they’re] approached about somebody else, I feel like somebody’s going to start snitching then.”

    Wheeler said to DellaCamera, “I know that some of the news outlets are about to jump out there with more information from wherever they get it from, and a question will be posed to me, can we rule out that Seth’s death had anything to do with his job at the DNC. And I think the answer is going to have to be, and please tell me if I’m wrong, no, we can’t rule that out because we don’t have a suspect behind bars; we don’t have a person of interest. So we can’t rule anything at this point. Then the question is going to be asked is it possible that Seth’s death was in fact orchestrated from someone of, or related to his job.

    Wheeler looked directly at DellaCamera and asked, “the answer?” After a long sigh and brief laughter, DellaCamera stated, “You’ve been looking into this yourself, and and, you have investigative experience, and like we said, anything is possible right. Until we get somebody locked up, we just don’t know. Anything’s possible.” “Look, look Rod, please please do not quote me on anything . . . I don’t need that **** coming back on me . . .if I’m quoted, I will probably be reassigned to CCB somewhere…moving property around. There’s certain details of the case that we just can’t renewal [reveal] to anybody, just for the integrity of the case. But, do what you you got to do for your business and the news story, but please don’t, don’t throw me under the bus Rod.”

    Once again, Wheeler asked, has the investigation shown that Seth received any money from anyone such as Wikileaks during that time period. DellaCamera stated, “I don’t know. I need to go back and look at his financial records. I didn’t notice anything back then when I looked, but it’s been a while. And if he (Seth) did receive any money, who knows where he put it at…especially if he did receive money. Maybe he stashed it somewhere else…and we just don’t know.”

    Then Wheeler asked, “did your review of Seth’s computer reveal that any emails went out to Wiki leaks? DellaCamera replied (after a long pause), well, well, …there’s stuff on there that, it’s its, emails are sent everyday…um…the context of the emails I can’t get into the details, um, again, I don’t have anything pointing the finger at the DNC other than the conspiracy theories. Nobody has come to me with direct information and provided detailed information about the DNC being involved somehow.”

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    http://forward.com/news/national/378...-richs-murder/

    On August 3, 2017 Nathan Guttman took apart Jack Burkman's re-enactment.

    Scene One: The Bar

    "Are you okay son?," the actor playing the bartender asks, refusing to pour him another round. "Yeah, I'm okay," he answers, "No, no, I'm not. Things at work, and I just don't have money, not the kind I need. Kelsey moved to New York and you know how much it frigging cost to live in Brooklyn. But I got a plan. I got a plan."

    "Any re-enactment is, of course, a theory. It's the advancement of a theory, to be sure, said Jack Burkman" . . . "I don't know what a conspiracy theory is, The only thing this is designed to do is get to the bottom of it."

    "In filming and distributing a re-enactment, Burkman is using a tactic common to contemporary conspiracy theorists and TV shows that wish to promote the belief that a complicated, alternative version of events is the true one explained Chip Berlet, who is a journalist and scholar who researches conspiracy theories."

    "Burkman's script keeps it [conspiracy theories] alive. His made up dialogue implies the existence of a sinister mystery -- the need for money, the mysterious late night meeting, the secret plan he had hatched. Burkman says he wants to discover the truth, whatever it is, but re-enactments don't work that way, Berlet said, they buttress existing fantasies. "It's irresponsible," he said, "For those who already believe there is a conspiracy, the visual re-enactment only cements that idea.""

    . . . "Once production work is done, Burkman intends to circulate the re-enactment scenes online and on social media in hope that the film will induce those who have useful information to come forward."

    "The actor playing Rich slowly walks down Flagler Street, on the same block where the murder actually took place. Two other actors show up from around the corner and approach him. "What do you want? Take my wallet, You want my phone?"" the actor offers, but the assailants just push him forward. "Walk, Walk, the order him. And then the conspiracy thread kicks back in. "You guys, you're safe." the actor playing Rich whispers, "your safe, I took all the necessary precautions." But they just push him ahead. "Boom, Boom," they call, as the scene ends with two shots leaving Rich lying on the ground."

    Here I depart from the article to point out this composite theory does not make sense. If these two individuals were part of a Russian conspiracy to kill Seth, which is Burkman's pet theory, why did they meet or attempt to "rob" Seth. Following the "dialogue" Such assassins could have simply arranged a meeting in a private location with Seth and then killed him. Of course Burkman would claim that they wanted to make it look like a street robbery, yet they left him alive, and without a bullet or two in the head, indicating that either Russian intelligence is not hiring well these days, or more likely, this particular conspiracy theory it totally based on Burkman's fantasies.

    Burkman claims: "A source well placed within the Democratic National Committee told us that Seth, four to six weeks before he died met with Natalia V, I can't pronounce the last name -- the lawyer who had met with Trump. Jr," Burman said. Natalia Veselnitskay, the Russian lawyer who made news after offering Donald Trump Jr. and other top campaing officials damning information about Hillary Clinton in a pre-election meeting denied ever meeting Rich. "I have no idea who Seth Rich is," she wrote on facebook."

    "Arron Rich added that he had never heard anything from his brother to support Burkman's claim: "There's absolutely no truth to that."

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    Great research Sam. I'm at a almost complete loss of words over the re-enactment.

    I used to give "America's Most Wanted" and "Unsolved Mysteries" a hard time about their dramatizations, but Burkman's version is at the other end of the spectrum.

    There's a big difference between filling in voids with possibilities supported by evidence, and adding your own wild theories based on circumstantial evidence.

    Based on circumstantial evidence ALONE, you can create practically any theory and it will sound plausible to people without critical thinking skills or an education in the scientific method.

    Example: I can easily go and recreate Burkman's version, but substitute aliens for shadowy hit men. "Two other actors materialize from some sort of matter beam technology and approach him...with phasers"....and now we're safely in X-Files Land.

    Counterexample: I can also easily go and re-enact Burkman's "re-enactment", but change all the dialogue and actors back to the version of events supported by the MPD, and now I have a BETTER re-enactment than Burkman's that is better supported by all the evidence.

    "The actor playing Rich slowly walks down Flagler Street, on the same block where the murder actually took place. Two other actors show up from around the corner and approach him. "Give us your wallet and phone!" they yell, but he resists. The assailants push him back and pull out handguns (PS: without suppressors). Boom, Boom. The scene ends with two shots leaving Rich lying on the ground."
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    I think the whole narrative really falls apart with the idea that any sort of assassination would occur with non-suppressed small arms fire. Poison, silencers, missing persons...but no, all the evidence points to standard DC street crime.

    The conspiracy retort to that will of course be "it was MADE to look like common DC street crime". But therein lies their fallacy...street robberies and murders happen in DC all the time. Every day. So, to prove YOUR case is somehow different, you need some of that "extraordinary evidence" of the Sagan variety.

    With zero extraordinary evidence of any kind available, there's precisely zero rational reason to continue promoting ANYTHING but the MPD conclusion...unless the politicians involved end up being cui bono.

    The Wikileaks connection to Seth is probably the weakest link in the whole conspiracy. Based on everything I've seen, Seth had access to no information related to anything of actual importance. NO national security secrets, no super-secret dirt on Clinton...practically nothing he would have known would have been worth killing him over even IF he was going to hand-deliver it to Vladimir Putin himself.
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    Sam Browning, and others -- you've done a stellar job of helping others get clarity on how up-side-down-and-backwards the past year has been with this topic. Once something gets this clouded, the guilty could honestly claim they did it and no one would believe them. Thank you for your pursuit of clarity and honesty on this matter. I've appreciated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pship Destroyer View Post
    I think the whole narrative really falls apart with the idea that any sort of assassination would occur with non-suppressed small arms fire. Poison, silencers, missing persons...but no, all the evidence points to standard DC street crime.

    The conspiracy retort to that will of course be "it was MADE to look like common DC street crime". But therein lies their fallacy...street robberies and murders happen in DC all the time. Every day. So, to prove YOUR case is somehow different, you need some of that "extraordinary evidence" of the Sagan variety.

    With zero extraordinary evidence of any kind available, there's precisely zero rational reason to continue promoting ANYTHING but the MPD conclusion...unless the politicians involved end up being cui bono.

    The Wikileaks connection to Seth is probably the weakest link in the whole conspiracy. Based on everything I've seen, Seth had access to no information related to anything of actual importance. NO national security secrets, no super-secret dirt on Clinton...practically nothing he would have known would have been worth killing him over even IF he was going to hand-deliver it to Vladimir Putin himself.
    And it should be said that one does not need a silencer/suppressor to cut down the noise from a pistol. What one would do, is lure the victim into a car or preferably a building which would serve to obliterate the noise signature of a firearm, circumventing the shot locater system in DC. Something a hitman would have presumably planned for.

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    Here is an article from the Washingtonian: https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/0...h-reenactment/

    My only complaint with Benjamin Freed's article is that it uses the terms re-creation and re-construction interchangeably, when they are not the same thing. Tom Bevel who is a blood splatter expert makes some comments about reconstruction at the end of the article, while Jack Burkman says it's a re-enactment within the first two paragraphs of the article.

    Freed does provide a useful summary of Seth Rich's phone calls that evening.

    "Here are the publically known facts about Seth Rich's death: After Lou's City Bar closed up about 1:30 AM Rich started walking home. The walk from Columbia Heights to Bloomingdale usually takes about 40 minutes, but Rich took longer to get home that night, walking around talking on the phone. He made at least five calls -- two messages for his father, one to a friend who called him back for a 12 minute call, and two calls with his girlfriend that lasted a cumulative two hours and 13 minutes. About a minute after the second call with his girlfriend ended, Rich was nearly home, when he was shot. The DC police's gunfire detectors recorded the shots, prompting officers to respond to the scene, where they found him still alive, he died a few hours later at the hospital."

    "The block where Rich was shot was poorly lit and does not have much surveillance. And last year, DC Water was in the middle of an extensive project to prevent Bloomingdale's frequent flooding, which often caused street lights to lose power. Armed robberies in the neighborhood also increased last year over 2015. Rich's hands and legs showed bruising and his watchband was damaged, suggesting a physical altercation." . . .

    "Besides Burkman's outfit, there are two documentary crews working on projects related to the Rich investigation. Even though there is no credible evidence to support the conspiracy theories, they've become so noisy that it's impossible for anyone to cover the case without acknowledging the people pushing them."

    One of the two "documentary crews is probably the duo of George Webb and Jason Goodman. Webb has an elaborate theory about Seth Rich getting drugged and abducted the night he died, prior to his death. It's impossible to square this with the reports that he spent nearly every minute of the last two and a half hours prior to the shooting on the phone, mainly taking to his girlfriend.

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    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/carsons...cott-advocates

    I'll be appearing on this radio show at 11 pm on Monday evening.

    Everyone is welcome to listen in.

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    I also discovered my Seth Rich article was down, and have emailed Phrost to ask him to restore it. Anyone who wants to help can also email him with this request to show him that it should be a priority.

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