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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    I just don't do their tournaments, as the rules are dumb and complicated. I like NAGA No-Gi rules best, Gi tournaments should be just like that, IMO. Or Grappler's Quest rules. EBI rules are interesting and make for entertaining matches as well.

    What sorts of things, beside rule set, would make you guys go Game-over vs. the Shamrock style of control?
    NAGA and grapplers are ibjjf in the gi.

    Game over is just that. So you are asking me what would make me pick a position with like a 90% finish rate over a position that scrabbling is possible? If I am not black out drunk I choose game over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    **** the IBJJF illegal "leg reap" rule. (Had to vent)

    Ironically,yesterday, we were working on a figure four legal lockdown that also secures the position without reaping the leg.
    This is my go to style for Ibjjf legal footlocks. I feel like it's the best way to actually be able to maim someone with a straight footlock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    This is my go to style for Ibjjf legal footlocks. I feel like it's the best way to actually be able to maim someone with a straight footlock.

    I do this in non-ibjjf rules as well. The heel-pull/heel-hook counter isn't there because you don't have your foot trapped under their ass/thigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    This is my go to style for Ibjjf legal footlocks. I feel like it's the best way to actually be able to maim someone with a straight footlock.

    Dean puts a new curve on ankle locks as he is basically a gorilla. I was his partner two years ago at a seminar, I thought he was going to take my foot home.

    Not to mention I think he has a memory like a computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Dean puts a new curve on ankle locks as he is basically a gorilla. I was his partner two years ago at a seminar, I thought he was going to take my foot home.

    Not to mention I think he has a memory like a computer.
    Dean Lister seem like he would be the result if the chimp from planet of the apes also got taught to drink and grapple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    This is my go to style for Ibjjf legal footlocks. I feel like it's the best way to actually be able to maim someone with a straight footlock.

    I love that! And for sure that's not a leg reap under IBJJF rules? I'm always confused as to what the tipping point is in foot position is that makes them call that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Shamrocks approach is a more flow scramble approach. Not a big fan although I do practice it. I'm bigger fan of the "Game over" method as it slows the game down and allows for smoother transitions without much risk for injury.
    Gotcha. The game over is pretty new to me, but I like the concept a lot, as I prefer to do a slow grind style of grappling. That always presented issues for me when entering for leg locks, as it seemed like it became a race to who got the leg first. Hence the reasons I liked those knee compressions you showed when I came out to Valhalla, because I can control the position, then attack the joint without worry of an immediate counter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    NAGA and grapplers are ibjjf in the gi.

    Game over is just that. So you are asking me what would make me pick a position with like a 90% finish rate over a position that scrabbling is possible? If I am not black out drunk I choose game over.
    I see your point, I'm just going to have to work the position in my travels to see about making it truly "game over". I see where the straight ankle and heel hook come from in the game over position, is there a good way to flow to toe fold or knee bar? I'm a huge toe fold fan, it's my best leg lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    I see your point, I'm just going to have to work the position in my travels to see about making it truly "game over". I see where the straight ankle and heel hook come from in the game over position, is there a good way to flow to toe fold or knee bar? I'm a huge toe fold fan, it's my best leg lock.
    Well not really because they can't move. They are fucked. There's no flow because it's the end of the road.
    I will post some escapes but it ain't easy bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    I love that! And for sure that's not a leg reap under IBJJF rules? I'm always confused as to what the tipping point is in foot position is that makes them call that.
    Reaping is only if the outside foot passes over the middle of the hips. It's no where near the middle of the hip. I have a ibjjf ref. Cert., So that'd be my professional opinion.

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