Shaolin Do History / Lineage

**rainfall** · Posted On: 5/21/2004 8:17am

A simple recap of sections of the above.

Summing up the excuses given for why they use the word 'do' in this thread. 2 very different reasons have been given:

1. An old grandmaster tried to hide a cma from the authorities by giving it a sort of jma name.

2. A guy trying to sell martial arts to Americans used "Do" in the name to make it more palateable.

Answer 1 is completely uncredible. The assertion being made is that ANYONE would believe that just because you add 'do' to the end of a name and dress in different clothes fools anyone into thinking it is a Japanese art. Particularly with the name Shaolin in it.

Answer 2 is not only credible, but also likley, as well as fitting of an organization depending on the ignorance of its members.

Answer 2 sounds like the winner to me.

**Mr. Mantis** · Posted On: 5/21/2004 10:05am

Well if you notice, many of the forms look like rehashing of the same thing with different hand positions here and there. It looks like every form has a tiger tail kick in it. A tiger tail kick is the thrust kick directly to the rear.

Also, every system has a salute, even Bak Mei (and I really don't want to derail this thread any further on white eyebrow) Their forms don't appear to have salutes. This does not follow with CMA tradition. Something is wrong here.

**SDisfraudulent** · Posted On: 5/22/2004 12:30pm

The forms at SD are Crap and have no basis whatsoever in traditional chinese martial arts. what the forms really are are modified and bastardsized from other legitamate systems and masters that are not around any more. either they were taken from other styles video tapes and then Modified to give it that special SD bullshit flair,,OR they are just made up entirely,,now mind you i like the idea of creating your own forms IF you have a solid back ground in what you are trying to create form and system wise, but if you are claiming that your crap is the Original and true temple curriculum then you are full of horse ****.

Now i have heard and read the times when the Sd people have actually gone to china to see the Shaolin temple and demonstrate thier brand of ****-fu. they are kindly greeted and smiled at, and why shoudnt they? they are bringing tourist dollars to that area and far be it from the people to tell them that they are full of ****. i have had several collegues go to china and visit the shaolin temple and when you mention the name SIn the' or Shaolin-do or the "Hairy grandmaster" they are like "whu? "WHO?" Never heard of them.

**Omar** · Posted On: 5/22/2004 4:08pm

Originally posted by wingchunnewbie
AFAIK Tai Chi isn't a shaolin art. It originated from the taoists of Wudan.

It IS a cool story but I'm afraid Taiji originated with the peasants of the Chen family village.

**Chuan** · Posted On: 5/22/2004 10:59pm

Originally posted by Mr_Mantis
Also of note: Shaolin Do purports to teach double hook swords. Double hook swords are only found in the north, so if Shaolin Do is founded in the south, where did the double hook sword work come from?!?

They also teach the Naginata. Now how that is Chinese I do not know.

**Chuan** · Posted On: 5/22/2004 11:05pm

Originally posted by Meat Shake
Shaolin-Do purports to teach everything.
I was told they contain the entire Bak-Mei system somewhere in the 3rd degree blackbelt smattering of forms. Throw out any chinese style to an avid SDer and you'll get "Oh yeah, we have (instert style here) at (instert belt level here)."

From the Ohio Shaolin Web site. (I take this to mean that when ever Sin The' buys a new video and learns a form.)

"as Grandmaster Thé constantly reveals new training and forms from the 900-plus Shaolin forms he has mastered. "

http://www.ohioshaolin.com/SHAOLINDO...ake_system.htm

**Antagony** · Posted On: 5/22/2004 11:06pm

For your convenience, I am linking some Shaolin-Do related threads. Enjoy.

The Shaolin-Do Sparring Match: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...threadid=12650
Fun Shaolin-Do Story!: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...threadid=12757

**liuzg150181** · Posted On: 5/23/2004 4:07am

Originally posted by Omar
It IS a cool story but I'm afraid Taiji originated with the peasants of the Chen family village.

Who lives near Shaolin Temple(both in He Nan province)~~~;)

**Omar** · Posted On: 5/23/2004 4:08pm

And we all know how cool the monks of the Ming dynasty were about sharing their stuff with the local villagers....(where's that little squiggly thing? I don't seem to have one on my keyboard.);)