Posted On:5/19/2004 2:45am
Style: jits with hits
Sounds to me like everyone involved made a good showing. I'd love to see some of the Shaolin guys take up Hedgehogey on his open mat offer.
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Oops, I meant without critically hurting someone (mistake in my last post). BTW, I generally hate these forums, but you guys seem like striaght shooters. Just wanted to drop a note from the Shaolin-Do side tonight. TaeBo master. It was good to meeting you. I would enjoy interacting with you in the future.
Posted On:5/19/2004 2:46am
Also, he has never had one moment of grappling training. I assumed you hate stand-up arts by your own disdain of your previous training and the very signature you use on your postings.
Noone doubts that learning all three ranges of fighting (standing, clinch, ground) is very neccesary.
And muay thai is a STANDUP art. I love standup. I'm not naturaly talented at it.
The sig is directed at the "str33t fighting" RBSD people who hate grappling. I actually think a standup art trained "alive" can be very good for self defense.
This all just backs up what I have always thought. I highly respect grappling arts, but they are like oil and water with striking arts.
I disagree. I think they can be integrated easily. That's what vale tudo is about.
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Posted On:5/19/2004 2:48am
Enough said hedge, I'll accept that and pass it on to my student.
Posted On:5/19/2004 2:52am
Hope you Shaolin guys stick around and contribute to the forums. That fact that you were willing to step up and spar in the first place puts you leagues beyond 90% of the martial artists out there.
Posted On:5/19/2004 3:00am
Out of curiousity, what contact level do you guys spar at in your school?
Posted On:5/19/2004 3:06am
We generally keep it pretty controlled. But we train forms and conitioning hard. The contact ranges between 25 and 50%. SOrry to leave the conversation, but it's been a long one. I normally don't have much time for this type stuff (with a family and all) so don't take it personally when I seem to not post anymore. Good Luck in training
Posted On:5/19/2004 3:15am
looks like u gotta work on your standup hedge ...
do more sparring ...
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Posted On:5/19/2004 3:21am
Style: Judo, Jujitsu
To be honest with everyone, the fighting I saw looked exactly like all the fighting I saw done in TKD. I give the Shaolin-Do guys credit, they were pretty good at what they did. In my opinion, it seemed as though the second guy was winning mostly due to athleticism. This is of course not a criticism, because that is part of what makes up a fight, and this guy was using to to win. Hedge got out-strategized for the most part, plain and simple. Hedge would have had a much ebtter chance if he had been able to score successful takedowns, or close to clinch and lock the guy up. But the guy he sparred managed to keep it in the striking range for nearly all of the approximately 30 minutes they sparred.
Anyway, at first they were going with unlimited time, so without a KO it would have been hard to determine how the Shaolin-Do guy was to win, granted. Nearer the end, it was suggested that they do timed rounds. All in all, if the fights had been MMA fights it would have been like this:
Fight 1: Hedgehogey by armbar, round 1
Fight 2: Shaolin-Do fighter by judge's decision. Since he was unable to KO hedge (although he might have managed a ref stoppage too....) but by the end, Hedge had clearly taken a lot more punishment.
But all in all, big props to everyone who was there. It was ballsy of Hedge to follow through and take this on, and to continue despite the beating. It was also very generous of the SD school to allow us their time.
My overall opinion is this (and it's just an opinion): As far as fighting skill goes, Shaolin-Do is up there with the top tiers of TKD fighters, most likely. In full contact events, MT guys or BJJ guys or MMA guys with equivalent experience would probably have dominated them pretty hardcore.
Bullshido or not? I'd say no. Not this school anyway, the art as a whole, who knows. I can't make any call on the McDojo issue because all we did was spar, had no chance to check out pricing, training, or contracts or any of the other relevant issues. But most of all they had the guts to take on outside competitors, which is something McDojos generally don't do. So this school has my props.
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Posted On:5/19/2004 3:31am
what i dont understand is how you werent able to clinch in th second fight ...
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