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    Looking for help/insight on Submission Chains

    Alrighty, so I want to get to the next level of grappling, and start looking towards that purple belt. One thing I'm pursuing in the pursuit of the next level of technique and BJJ knowledge, is the chaining of submissions together from different positions. I'm looking for advice on where I can go from certain chains I'm developing, and some ideas on chains I could be using in positions where I just don't really have one. Some of these chains I am also needing to alter for a pure BJJ game, as I'd always grappled for MMA before, and some of my chains go to finishes that are not legal at my belt level.

    Mount: Armbar-bicep slicer- armbar

    Side Control: Kimura- Straight Arm- Keylock- Keylock around the neck- Neck crank- Pillow choke

    Head and Arm Control (Kesa gatame): Far leg armbar- far leg figure four armbar- far leg step on the wrist armbar- near leg keylock- near leg Ezekiel- near leg can opener- near leg neck crank- double branch both arms up- double branch one arm up one arm down.

    Closed Guard (My preferred guard): Armbar- triangle- opposite armbar

    Spider Guard (Still very not proficient here): If I can't lasso and then sweep, I end up trying to get sleeve/wrist control, and pull them into a triangle.

    De La Riva (I am terrible here): All I have are sweeps at the moment, and not very confident sweeps as of yet.

    X Guard (I like X Guard, the trick is getting a partner who lets me put them there lol): Still only sweeps for the most part. I can see where an amrbar might develop from sleeve control, but other than that I'm lost

    Half Guard Top:Scorpion kneebar or regular kneebar or kimura. None of those have a chain yet.

    Half Guard Bottom- Sweep game only so far. I remember being taught some kind of slicer from here a long time ago, but it's gone now. I can reach over for the toefold if folks get lazy on me.

    Back Control- Dan Severn- Jaw Crank- Rear Naked (or) Chuck Norris- Armbar

    That's about all I can think of. Feel free to add your own chains, dissect mine, offer suggestions or alternatives. It's been a while since we had a good, long technical grappling thread, I'm hoping this sparks discussion.

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    While I look for some of the techniques you posted (BJJ nomenclature is weird) I'd like to point your lack of chokes is disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    Alrighty, so I want to get to the next level of grappling, and start looking towards that purple belt. One thing I'm pursuing in the pursuit of the next level of technique and BJJ knowledge, is the chaining of submissions together from different positions. I'm looking for advice on where I can go from certain chains I'm developing, and some ideas on chains I could be using in positions where I just don't really have one. Some of these chains I am also needing to alter for a pure BJJ game, as I'd always grappled for MMA before, and some of my chains go to finishes that are not legal at my belt level.

    Mount: Armbar-bicep slicer- armbar

    Side Control: Kimura- Straight Arm- Keylock- Keylock around the neck- Neck crank- Pillow choke

    Head and Arm Control (Kesa gatame): Far leg armbar- far leg figure four armbar- far leg step on the wrist armbar- near leg keylock- near leg Ezekiel- near leg can opener- near leg neck crank- double branch both arms up- double branch one arm up one arm down.

    Closed Guard (My preferred guard): Armbar- triangle- opposite armbar

    Spider Guard (Still very not proficient here): If I can't lasso and then sweep, I end up trying to get sleeve/wrist control, and pull them into a triangle.

    De La Riva (I am terrible here): All I have are sweeps at the moment, and not very confident sweeps as of yet.

    X Guard (I like X Guard, the trick is getting a partner who lets me put them there lol): Still only sweeps for the most part. I can see where an amrbar might develop from sleeve control, but other than that I'm lost

    Half Guard Top:Scorpion kneebar or regular kneebar or kimura. None of those have a chain yet.

    Half Guard Bottom- Sweep game only so far. I remember being taught some kind of slicer from here a long time ago, but it's gone now. I can reach over for the toefold if folks get lazy on me.

    Back Control- Dan Severn- Jaw Crank- Rear Naked (or) Chuck Norris- Armbar

    That's about all I can think of. Feel free to add your own chains, dissect mine, offer suggestions or alternatives. It's been a while since we had a good, long technical grappling thread, I'm hoping this sparks discussion.
    I've been shown a LOT, drilled a lot, but can't really help much with names and such, plus, I can't and probably won't ever be able to remember all the stuff I've trained. My instructor is huge on chaining stuff together, he never teaches single stuff unless it's to people who are at the level of "how do armbar".

    Like DCS said, lack of chokes is obvious in your lists, although there are a few. Collar chokes are good, but if you are going no-gi mostly...
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    What I notice are dead end chains and a lack of options.
    Have you tried mind maps?

    When I get introduced to new positions/techniques it often is done with options in mind.
    The opponent can typically move in a few directions and the responses come from that.
    From full guard there are tons of options and you list it as a favorite; yet only one series?
    That seems like an incomplete way to view things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    What I notice are dead end chains and a lack of options.
    Have you tried mind maps?

    When I get introduced to new positions/techniques it often is done with options in mind.
    The opponent can typically move in a few directions and the responses come from that.
    From full guard there are tons of options and you list it as a favorite; yet only one series?
    That seems like an incomplete way to view things.
    Good points. Reminds me that how to move between positions, and how opponent reacts to pressure and movement are very important to study and practice.

    You can do that in the context of chains, which is what my instructor does. It's all action reaction, anticipation, and training your body/mind to respond to what happens.

    It works the same way in Judo standing up (throwing), which is why I tend to focus a lot on action reaction on top of fundamental posture/grip/movement patterns (chains) that result from how the body naturally resets it's balance when disturbed. You can move purposefully once you have those patterns down, from one thing to another to another.
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    Choke>armbar>choke>armbar>choke

    Armbar>choke>armbar>choke

    Shoulder lock> armbar>shoulder lock

    Rear naked> ezeikel>armbar

    Rnc>bow choke> armbar>Rayce-Mura

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    What I notice are dead end chains and a lack of options.
    Have you tried mind maps?

    When I get introduced to new positions/techniques it often is done with options in mind.
    The opponent can typically move in a few directions and the responses come from that.
    From full guard there are tons of options and you list it as a favorite; yet only one series?
    That seems like an incomplete way to view things.
    Can you expand on mind maps?

    Yeah, I've got a few different setups from different hooks in the full guard, but my finishes all pretty much follow that chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Good points. Reminds me that how to move between positions, and how opponent reacts to pressure and movement are very important to study and practice.

    You can do that in the context of chains, which is what my instructor does. It's all action reaction, anticipation, and training your body/mind to respond to what happens.

    It works the same way in Judo standing up (throwing), which is why I tend to focus a lot on action reaction on top of fundamental posture/grip/movement patterns (chains) that result from how the body naturally resets it's balance when disturbed. You can move purposefully once you have those patterns down, from one thing to another to another.
    BKR, I wouldn't mind insight on what to chain Tai Otosh with, that's my money throw, and I'd like a transition off of a failure. Often times if that doesn't work I just pummel for double unders and go for the outside trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Choke>armbar>choke>armbar>choke

    Armbar>choke>armbar>choke

    Shoulder lock> armbar>shoulder lock

    Rear naked> ezeikel>armbar

    Rnc>bow choke> armbar>Rayce-Mura
    By choke I take it you mean collar choke? I'm **** at those right now, any tips on legit threatening and finishing with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    Can you expand on mind maps?

    Yeah, I've got a few different setups from different hooks in the full guard, but my finishes all pretty much follow that chain.

    Stuff like this:


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