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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
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    One sky god or the other, all the same...
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    In general, I'm with PShip on this one. I'm just not comfortable with excusing violence over speech. Spencer and his supporters should be subjected to a good old-fashioned Bullshido treatment - give them a platform to speak, and then tear the bullshit apart with no mercy. If these views have mass appeal, is the problem Spencer and his ilk, or the masses that it is appealing to? Will shutting down this kind of speech stifle the WhiteNationalistSupremacistNaziRacist movement, or will they begin to gather in secret?

    That's my principled view on the issue. My common sense view is that anyone who thinks they can walk around wearing a swastika without getting their lights punched out is fucking stupid.

    Punching Nazis is one way forward. Then there's this guy:
    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861...up-their-robes

    Which do we think will achieve better results in the long run?

    That being said, I also think this line of discussion is off topic. Phrost asked a technical question, not a moral/legal one: The antifa ninja looked to have his weight really behind the punch, which was good. However, it seemed like he didn't follow through completely, as if his fist stopped at Spencer's jaw. Given the spacing and approach, I wonder if an elbow would have been more effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    One sky god or the other, all the same...
    Like most things in life, having a selection to choose from is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pship Destroyer View Post
    Because you've claimed for years to be a Christian, and only switched gears when called out on supporting the violent murder of Heather Heyer by Neo-Nazi, under the guise of she deserved what she got because somebody at the rally happened to bring a Communist flag.
    Liar.

    I never said she deserved to die, nor did I ever defend the idiot who ran her over.

    Find quotes of me saying either and present them.

    Now before you go searching and posting, remember, prove exactly what you charged. I openly admit to mocking the woman, saying she got turned into a speed bump, was a crash test dummy, and a few heartless cracks about a spatula to trigger you (which worked beyond my wildest expectations, btw). I also said she and the other left-wing idiots went looking for trouble and found more trouble than they bargained for in the form of better armed right-wing idiots.

    As to the driver, I said he's an idiot and that he's likely going to spend years in prison for his actions. Not once did I defend the guy.

    So put up or shut up. Quote me saying EXACTLY as you charge.

    And please, spare us your usual nonsense of finding other folks' quotes and then altering or misinterpreting them to suit your purpose.


    After that we can move on to your pathetic, childish e-stalking on other forums, and me claiming to be both Jewish and Christian (which I indeed did, but you're too damned ignorant to understand how that's somehow possible....).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    As to the driver, I said he's an idiot and that he's likely going to spend years in prison for his actions. Not once did I defend the guy.
    I think that calling the guy "an idiot" (that is, someone who doesn't undertand what he's doing) is already a way to defend the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Liar.

    I never said she deserved to die, nor did I ever defend the idiot who ran her over.

    Find quotes of me saying either and present them.

    Now before you go searching and posting, remember, prove exactly what you charged. I openly admit to mocking the woman, saying she got turned into a speed bump, was a crash test dummy, and a few heartless cracks about a spatula to trigger you (which worked beyond my wildest expectations, btw). I also said she and the other left-wing idiots went looking for trouble and found more trouble than they bargained for in the form of better armed right-wing idiots.

    As to the driver, I said he's an idiot and that he's likely going to spend years in prison for his actions. Not once did I defend the guy.

    So put up or shut up. Quote me saying EXACTLY as you charge.

    And please, spare us your usual nonsense of finding other folks' quotes and then altering or misinterpreting them to suit your purpose.


    After that we can move on to your pathetic, childish e-stalking on other forums, and me claiming to be both Jewish and Christian (which I indeed did, but you're too damned ignorant to understand how that's somehow possible....).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMR View Post
    I think that calling the guy "an idiot" (that is, someone who doesn't undertand what he's doing) is already a way to defend the guy.
    See, you're misinterpreting my posts to suit your needs as I told him to not do.

    I never gave the guy a pass for not understanding what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing. He planned it and committed it brutally and effectively, actually. He intentionally plowed into a large group and managed to flatten one of his targets.

    Btw, being an idiot doesn't excuse criminal actions anyway. Nice try, but not gonna cut it. I never defended the guy. Ever.

    Let Pship fight his own battles, please.

    He can make weak excuses on his own. He doesn't need your help doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SneakyGoblin View Post
    In general, I'm with PShip on this one. I'm just not comfortable with excusing violence over speech. Spencer and his supporters should be subjected to a good old-fashioned Bullshido treatment - give them a platform to speak, and then tear the bullshit apart with no mercy. If these views have mass appeal, is the problem Spencer and his ilk, or the masses that it is appealing to? Will shutting down this kind of speech stifle the WhiteNationalistSupremacistNaziRacist movement, or will they begin to gather in secret?

    That's my principled view on the issue. My common sense view is that anyone who thinks they can walk around wearing a swastika without getting their lights punched out is fucking stupid.

    Punching Nazis is one way forward. Then there's this guy:
    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861...up-their-robes

    Which do we think will achieve better results in the long run?

    That being said, I also think this line of discussion is off topic. Phrost asked a technical question, not a moral/legal one: The antifa ninja looked to have his weight really behind the punch, which was good. However, it seemed like he didn't follow through completely, as if his fist stopped at Spencer's jaw. Given the spacing and approach, I wonder if an elbow would have been more effective.
    The Seattle puncher was way better than the guy who clocked Spencer...he also didn't sneak up on the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    The Seattle puncher was way better than the guy who clocked Spencer...he also didn't sneak up on the guy.
    No denying that. Strong, accurate, with penetration (that's right I said PENETRATION). His fist did NOT stop at the jaw.

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