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    Nic Huebing , Wade Barden , fake BJJ Black belts?

    I decided for my new years resolution I would get back into martial arts, with an emphasis on BJJ. I live in a small city in Wisconsin and assumed a BJJ black belt in my area is rare, I think I found a good instructor, but I also uncovered what I believe could be frauds or at best questionable.

    So here goes, they both claim a black belt from Marcello Monteiro, who I know is a good BJJ practitioner and legitimate, but with a quick google search it seems he has actually been selling belts. Coupled with the VERY questionable bios on these guys makes it seem likely to be the case. I am not accusing anyone of anything but in martial arts honor and integrity are very important, misrepresentation is dangerous as we all know. I do not know much about BJJ but I really thought a black belt was hard to achieve, I hope that has not changed.


    Nic Huebing - http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/ http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/instructor

    He contradicts himself on his own website, first claiming 3 black belts and 16 years of martial arts training. Then claiming 25 years, then claiming it took 20 years to earn his BJJ black belt. Either he looks way younger than his age and has been training in BJJ since the mid 90's which is suspect in itself, or there are fabrications in his background.


    Wade Barden - http://stronghold-athletics.com/ http://stronghold-athletics.com/your-instructor/

    Claims to have earned his BJJ black belt in 5 years, he was only 23 and of course the youngest in state history. Is this even possible? He also claims going from blue to black in 3 years, again is that realistic or even possible?


    On another site a legit BJJ black belt supposedly rolled with them and claimed they were at best blue belts. Both of them run what seem to be Mcdojos's and are passing out belts and teaching kids..

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/foru...-be:2036616-11
    http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/0...n-3-years.html
    http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/09/ouch.html

    I just really want some answers, if Monteiro is selling black belts that is bad, worse than that is these guys teaching kids and destroying the reputation of BJJ as a martial art.
    Thank you for any help or responses in advance.

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    Id look into or ask about these guys competition records. If they competed you will know when and at what belt and you can gauge how quickly the received their black belts. Its also tough to fake skills in actual competition and a blue belt competing with a legit black belt should be exposed pretty quickly. Just doing a cursory search, I found two videos of Barden competing as a black belt, so at least it appears as if he's putting his skills up against other black belts. Couldn't find anything on Huebing...


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    Doesn't address the possibility of belt selling, but they are listed on his website.

    https://bjjcoach.com/index.php?optio...d=84&Itemid=41

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    Quote Originally Posted by herb View Post
    I decided for my new years resolution I would get back into martial arts, with an emphasis on BJJ. I live in a small city in Wisconsin and assumed a BJJ black belt in my area is rare, I think I found a good instructor, but I also uncovered what I believe could be frauds or at best questionable.

    So here goes, they both claim a black belt from Marcello Monteiro, who I know is a good BJJ practitioner and legitimate, but with a quick google search it seems he has actually been selling belts. Coupled with the VERY questionable bios on these guys makes it seem likely to be the case. I am not accusing anyone of anything but in martial arts honor and integrity are very important, misrepresentation is dangerous as we all know. I do not know much about BJJ but I really thought a black belt was hard to achieve, I hope that has not changed.


    Nic Huebing - http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/ http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/instructor

    He contradicts himself on his own website, first claiming 3 black belts and 16 years of martial arts training. Then claiming 25 years, then claiming it took 20 years to earn his BJJ black belt. Either he looks way younger than his age and has been training in BJJ since the mid 90's which is suspect in itself, or there are fabrications in his background.


    Wade Barden - http://stronghold-athletics.com/ http://stronghold-athletics.com/your-instructor/

    Claims to have earned his BJJ black belt in 5 years, he was only 23 and of course the youngest in state history. Is this even possible? He also claims going from blue to black in 3 years, again is that realistic or even possible?


    On another site a legit BJJ black belt supposedly rolled with them and claimed they were at best blue belts. Both of them run what seem to be Mcdojos's and are passing out belts and teaching kids..

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/foru...-be:2036616-11
    http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/0...n-3-years.html
    http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/09/ouch.html

    I just really want some answers, if Monteiro is selling black belts that is bad, worse than that is these guys teaching kids and destroying the reputation of BJJ as a martial art.
    Thank you for any help or responses in advance.
    I don't know any of these guys and can't speak for or against them.
    There are people who get black belts in 5 years. They generally do 2 a days for 5 years straight and have very high aptitude.
    A guy named Anton on team balance is a 5 year black belt. Gordon Ryan is a 5 year black belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herb View Post
    Nic Huebing - http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/ http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/instructor

    He contradicts himself on his own website, first claiming 3 black belts and 16 years of martial arts training. Then claiming 25 years, then claiming it took 20 years to earn his BJJ black belt. Either he looks way younger than his age and has been training in BJJ since the mid 90's which is suspect in itself, or there are fabrications in his background.
    Technically it says " The journey to black belt took Nic nearly 20 years." So "the journey" could include the time he spent doing Kempo. And yes, he looks very young in that picture.
    Also that site lists his MMA record as 4-0, but Sherdog has one entry for someone with the same name with only an Amateur record of 1-0.

    There's a copyright on the front page of 2011-12, so if they haven't update that page the 16 years there could match the 20 on the instructor page. I do like the fact that he has a 3rd degree black belt in MMA.

    From his Facebook page it seems he got his BJJ BB in 2011 in a Note titled "10 years later".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    Technically it says " The journey to black belt took Nic nearly 20 years." So "the journey" could include the time he spent doing Kempo. And yes, he looks very young in that picture.
    Also that site lists his MMA record as 4-0, but Sherdog has one entry for someone with the same name with only an Amateur record of 1-0.

    There's a copyright on the front page of 2011-12, so if they haven't update that page the 16 years there could match the 20 on the instructor page. I do like the fact that he has a 3rd degree black belt in MMA.
    It says super fights, not mma. They are probably grappling super fights. That means it wasn't part of a tournament. It was a single match. It's pretty common nomenclature for that in the grappling world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    From his Facebook page it seems he got his BJJ BB in 2011 in a Note titled "10 years later".
    Link doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    Technically it says " The journey to black belt took Nic nearly 20 years." So "the journey" could include the time he spent doing Kempo. And yes, he looks very young in that picture.
    Also that site lists his MMA record as 4-0, but Sherdog has one entry for someone with the same name with only an Amateur record of 1-0.

    There's a copyright on the front page of 2011-12, so if they haven't update that page the 16 years there could match the 20 on the instructor page. I do like the fact that he has a 3rd degree black belt in MMA.

    From his Facebook page it seems he got his BJJ BB in 2011 in a Note titled "10 years later".
    IANAL, but pretty sure you can't arbitrarily push forward a copyright date if the work hasn't changed. Not arguing, just explaining. The whole point of copyright is to guarantee an originator exclusive rights for a defined and terminable period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    Link doesn't work.
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/nic-h...50148010498354

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    It says super fights, not mma. They are probably grappling super fights. That means it wasn't part of a tournament. It was a single match. It's pretty common nomenclature for that in the grappling world.
    I don't see that. I see MMA record (3-0, not 4-0 as I stated earlier).

    From the front page.
    NEXT LEVEL MARTIAL ARTS INSTRUCTOR
    Shaolin Kempo Karate Black Belt • 3rd degree MMA Black Belt • Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt • 3-0 MMA record • 16yrs of Martial Arts Training
    From the Instructor page
    Nic Huebing
    3rd degree Shaolin Kempo Karate Black Belt
    1 stripe Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt
    3-0 MMA record
    25 yrs of Martial Arts Training

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