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    Kyokushin influences on MODERN dutch kickboxing

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    I was wondering how much influence karate really had on dutch kickboxing. because to me it looks alot like muay thai with more hand combinations and a boxing stance. i see no karate in that whatsoever.
    I do understand that the pioneers were kyokushin karatekas BUT they studied muay thai and taught it.

    Look at modern dutch muay thai fighters like nieky holzken or robin van roosmalen. They all started in muay thai and dont use any karate techniques. look up theit first fights
    And what about ramon dekkers? He never did anything else but muay thai.

    And also Why does every muay thai gym offer kickboxing classes? doesnt that show that they are very simillar minus the elbows and the clinch? looking at most glory fighters they look more like ramon dekkers kickboxing style (never did karate) then karate-style.
    Of course there are exceptions like davit kiria or semmy schilt but those guys did exclusively karate for a long time before switching to Kickboxing.

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    Karate influences in Dutch Kickboxing?

    I was wondering how much influence karate really had on dutch kickboxing. because to me it looks alot like muay thai with more hand combinations and a boxing stance. i see no karate in that whatsoever.
    I do understand that the pioneers were kyokushin karatekas BUT they studied muay thai and taught it.

    Look at modern dutch muay thai fighters like nieky holzken or robin van roosmalen. They all started in muay thai and dont use any karate techniques. look up theit first fights
    And what about ramon dekkers? He never did anything else but muay thai.

    And also Why does every muay thai gym offer kickboxing classes? doesnt that show that they are very simillar minus the elbows and the clinch? looking at most glory fighters they look more like ramon dekkers kickboxing style (never did karate) then karate-style.
    Of course there are exceptions like davit kiria or semmy schilt but those guys did exclusively karate for a long time before switching to Kickboxing.

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    Merged threads.

    Back kick and Axe kick is the only thing I know which comes from karate that Dutch Kickboxers use. Aside from that Muay Thai is a style it's debatable that kickboxing is even a style as much as a set of rules.

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    yeah and even the spinning **** and axe kick is debateable

    Muay thai also uses spinning **** but less often:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWRL4xwnMQ&t=22s

    and here you can find the axe kick:
    http://www.blackbeltwiki.com/muay-thai-kicks

    the bigger problem is that these karate fanboys that ive been having discussions with just dont want to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clipdrift View Post
    yeah and even the spinning **** and axe kick is debateable

    Muay thai also uses spinning **** but less often:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWRL4xwnMQ&t=22s

    and here you can find the axe kick:
    http://www.blackbeltwiki.com/muay-thai-kicks

    the bigger problem is that these karate fanboys that ive been having discussions with just dont want to get it.
    Oh, goody, Christmas necro spammer. Welcome to my radar.

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    uumm sorry i dont know what you mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clipdrift View Post
    uumm sorry i dont know what you mean
    THAT is the right answer. Welcome to Bullshido

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    ruleset/style argument aside, i thought the only thing that separated muay thai from kickboxing was head movement

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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    ruleset/style argument aside, i thought the only thing that separated muay thai from kickboxing was head movement
    And sweet track pants, in the case of American Kickboxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    And sweet track pants, in the case of American Kickboxing.
    I thought American Kickboxing (at least when it was in it's track pants phase) was very heavily influenced by karate.

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