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    Open Carry - a lament

    So, I just got back from my annual Texas vacation. They (we) have limited open carry, now, effective Jan 2016, iirc. Awesome.

    What struck me funny was the overall attitude towards guns in Austin. A number of retail establishments had posted "no open carry allowed," signs, which is their right. I just found it odd, because in one particular case, I had seen coyotes running around less than a mile from said establishment (it was an HEB). There are also bobcats, rattlesnakes, and possibly even ocelots and black bears. Plenty of reasons to walk around armed that have nothing to do with crime or politics.

    Long gone are the days when every Billy, Bobby, and Jed had a 30.06 in the rear window of their pickups and a Derringer in their boot. When I was growing up in north Austin, there was never a question like "why do you need a gun?" We would meet up in the K-Mart parking lot (now part of the Lakeline Mall complex), load our guns into the Jimmy or Suburban, and head out to Georgetown or Lampasas or Leander or Burnet to go hunting. Nobody ever called the cops, that was just part of the culture. Spent a day in San Antonio, this trip, spotted several too-large-to-conceal prints, and was sad at the state of gun ownership in just another state that used to be its own proud nation.

    Last week, we spent a couple of days caring for my step-brother's pets, and became rather worried at one point when the cat hadn't returned home after many hours. That was the day after we had all witnessed a coyote romping through the back yard. Last year, a large black and gold snake had slithered its way into my mom's garage. Scared the **** out of my wife and eldest daughter. Based on the description, I assumed a rattler. I asked my mom for a gun, and she said they had got rid of them all. A neighbor came over with a couple of pistols, and he and I corralled what we eventually saw was the mama king, released her in the woods. This year, there was a rifle at the ready, though. Loaded, sitting right out in the open, buttstock on the floor, near one of the entry doors. My kids never asked about it, never touched it. That's real gun control.

    But, after 9 days of roaming Austin and other parts of Texas, I didn't see a single person engaging in their newly restored right to open carry. That is the saddest part of the whole mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    So, I just got back from my annual Texas vacation. They (we) have limited open carry, now, effective Jan 2016, iirc. Awesome.

    What struck me funny was the overall attitude towards guns in Austin. A number of retail establishments had posted "no open carry allowed," signs, which is their right. I just found it odd, because in one particular case, I had seen coyotes running around less than a mile from said establishment (it was an HEB). There are also bobcats, rattlesnakes, and possibly even ocelots and black bears. Plenty of reasons to walk around armed that have nothing to do with crime or politics.

    Long gone are the days when every Billy, Bobby, and Jed had a 30.06 in the rear window of their pickups and a Derringer in their boot. When I was growing up in north Austin, there was never a question like "why do you need a gun?" We would meet up in the K-Mart parking lot (now part of the Lakeline Mall complex), load our guns into the Jimmy or Suburban, and head out to Georgetown or Lampasas or Leander or Burnet to go hunting. Nobody ever called the cops, that was just part of the culture. Spent a day in San Antonio, this trip, spotted several too-large-to-conceal prints, and was sad at the state of gun ownership in just another state that used to be its own proud nation.

    Last week, we spent a couple of days caring for my step-brother's pets, and became rather worried at one point when the cat hadn't returned home after many hours. That was the day after we had all witnessed a coyote romping through the back yard. Last year, a large black and gold snake had slithered its way into my mom's garage. Scared the **** out of my wife and eldest daughter. Based on the description, I assumed a rattler. I asked my mom for a gun, and she said they had got rid of them all. A neighbor came over with a couple of pistols, and he and I corralled what we eventually saw was the mama king, released her in the woods. This year, there was a rifle at the ready, though. Loaded, sitting right out in the open, buttstock on the floor, near one of the entry doors. My kids never asked about it, never touched it. That's real gun control.

    But, after 9 days of roaming Austin and other parts of Texas, I didn't see a single person engaging in their newly restored right to open carry. That is the saddest part of the whole mess.
    Other than making oneself an obvious target, can anything be accomplished by open-carry that cannot be accomplished by carrying concealed? I am as big of a proponent of the Second Amendment as anyone you will ever find, I believe that everyone not precluded by felony conviction or mental illness, should be carrying a firearm at all times. Conversely, I have had way too many open-carry wingnuts try to 'educate' me about the merits of their personal belief. When I lived in Texas, everyone had a rifle visible in their truck and when they were out in rural areas, most people I knew then carried (concealed).


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    100% serious. In a couple of years, you'll see me running on the "Make Texas Great Again," ticket.

    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    Other than making oneself an obvious target, can anything be accomplished by open-carry that cannot be accomplished by carrying concealed? I am as big of a proponent of the Second Amendment as anyone you will ever find, I believe that everyone not precluded by felony conviction or mental illness, should be carrying a firearm at all times. Conversely, I have had way too many open-carry wingnuts try to 'educate' me about the merits of their personal belief. When I lived in Texas, everyone had a rifle visible in their truck and when they were out in rural areas, most people I knew then carried (concealed).
    I don't know the laws from when I was younger. My perspective is that, in my lifetime, we've gone from "where's your gun," to "you need a license to hide your gun if you want to keep it with you." The New Open Carry seems to me very similar in some respects to tolerance of LGBT, these days. "He's got a gun, but that's OK, it's his right to do so." ****, the police have to make a PSA saying it's OK, when 30 years ago nobody would have batted an eye.


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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    I don't know the laws from when I was younger. My perspective is that, in my lifetime, we've gone from "where's your gun," to "you need a license to hide your gun if you want to keep it with you." The New Open Carry seems to me very similar in some respects to tolerance of LGBT, these days. "He's got a gun, but that's OK, it's his right to do so." ****, the police have to make a PSA saying it's OK, when 30 years ago nobody would have batted an eye.
    Here's the part where I lament. If the law was reciprocal everywhere AND everyone in the city / county / state / country understood that open-carry was okay, I would totally be okay with it. As it stands now my (cop thinking like a shithead) perspective is a little different. If I were contemplating robbing a bank and the state didn't allow concealed carry, I would scan it and find the pudgy, balding guy with a nice shiny gun in his Uncle Mikes holster. I would take his gun away from him, rob the bank and possibly shoot him in the process. If it were a concealed carry state, I wouldn't have any idea who was carrying so my approach would be a bit more cautious.


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    9 whole days and you didn't see anyone open carry? Oh how sad. I lived in open-carry Arizona for 5+ years and only once saw someone open carry there, and he appeared to be a real-life cowboy who came into town (Tucson) to pick up a prescription.

    Gay marriage has been legal for over a year now nationwide, and I've yet to stumble upon someone getting gay-married in public. Why would anyone give a **** if other people aren't flaunting their right to X in front of you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    9 whole days and you didn't see anyone open carry? Oh how sad. I lived in open-carry Arizona for 5+ years and only once saw someone open carry there, and he appeared to be a real-life cowboy who came into town (Tucson) to pick up a prescription.

    Gay marriage has been legal for over a year now nationwide, and I've yet to stumble upon someone getting gay-married in public. Why would anyone give a **** if other people aren't flaunting their right to X in front of you?
    Oh, golly, gee. Why would you ever stumble on a gay marriage, during your closeted life in which a real-life cowboy is a novelty? Also, you should check the meaning of the word "flaunting." If you think that's what Open Carry is, you're part of the problem on both issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    9 whole days and you didn't see anyone open carry? Oh how sad. I lived in open-carry Arizona for 5+ years and only once saw someone open carry there, and he appeared to be a real-life cowboy who came into town (Tucson) to pick up a prescription.

    Gay marriage has been legal for over a year now nationwide, and I've yet to stumble upon someone getting gay-married in public. Why would anyone give a **** if other people aren't flaunting their right to X in front of you?
    What years? Yes, this is very important to your anecdote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    Oh, golly, gee. Why would you ever stumble on a gay marriage, during your closeted life in which a real-life cowboy is a novelty? Also, you should check the meaning of the word "flaunting." If you think that's what Open Carry is, you're part of the problem on both issues.
    Haha, I bet your next act is to call me a tree-hugging hippie.

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