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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    It's more important for the student/consumer to know what questions to ask, or how to ask them; everything else is a holy war for internet combatants.
    It shouldn't be a shell game to find out credentials either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    I wear a white belt when I am at BJJ class. I wear a black belt when I am doing judo.
    Interesting. My instructor awarded a BJJ blue belt to a Judo black belt after just a few classes. I'm not sure of his (Judo guy's) prior BJJ experience, but he has an excellent (compared to me) submission game. The instructor did not award a higher belt to the collegiate wrestler (though he competed and won gold at blue belt at some local tournament). He did not award a higher belt to a guy with some JJJ experience (not sure of his JJJ rank).

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    Aside from the obvious differences in gi/kimono construction, I think the most important thing is for an instructor to be up-front about his/her credentials to his/her students and prospective students; that honesty will transcend most witch hunts, I think. But, for ongoing concerns, it would be best to dress in the garb specific to the art being taught/practiced.

    For example, my instructor at a previous school was a moderately high-ranking black belt in that system, but at the time only a blue belt (under the Valente bros, iirc). He and his superiors were bringing BJJ to the curriculum to round out the fighting ranges, but he was honest about teaching BJJ principles as part of the system, not as standalone BJJ. He always wore his "regular" karategi, and his black belt, but because he was up-front about his credentials, we were never disillusioned that we were learning BJJ from a BJJ master.
    That sounds like the way to do it properly. Imagine people being honest and upfront about their credentials...

    What a concept !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Keep the rank bar off the belts and I am cool with it.
    Luta Livre players are issued black belts with a Rank Bar but this doesn't bother me. It's such an incestuous style and now the lineages are all intertwined. Marco Ruas is ranked in both and trains the N.U guys like Aldo,Penn,Rizo,etc.

    Everyone else can **** off in my opinion. Any other wearers of the bjj rank bar belts are clear fakers of the funk and its a clear case of shenanigans.
    So who says BJJ has a monopoly on "rank bars" ? The BJJ police ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Wear the belt you earned in the subject you are teaching. Wear the belt you earned in the subject you earned it in when you are training the subject in which you earned the belt.

    I wear a white belt when I am at BJJ class. I wear a black belt when I am doing judo. If a BJJ instructor asked me to teach Judo at a BJJ class as a guest, I'd wear my judo black belt, assuming that I would be announced as a judo black belt who will be teaching Judo, however similar it might be to BJJ.

    I don't doubt the guy in the "belt exposed" story was trying to "cash in" on associating himself with BJJ by wearing a BJJ branded uniform. That's par for the course. The bjj blue belt storming his dojo is an asshole IMO in any case. He's trespassing, has no authority to question anything the guy does, what he wears, what he claims to teach directly or indirectly by association with a uniform.

    There is no NGB for BJJ, no real regulation, no controlling authority for rank. It's essentially a for-profit free for all.
    I agree with everything you said but rolling is a staple for bjj. If you refuse to roll with someone it's pretty clear you're a hack. Anyone can come ask me to roll when ever. They were both able bodied young men close in weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    It's also said bjj on the side of the building. It was pretty clear fuckery. They where definitely attempting a bait and switch even if they weren't actively lying.
    So what ? It's not illegal to claim to teach BJJ. No license is needed to teach BJJ. It's an unregulated martial art/combat sport as far as I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJim520 View Post
    Interesting. My instructor awarded a BJJ blue belt to a Judo black belt after just a few classes. I'm not sure of his (Judo guy's) prior BJJ experience, but he has an excellent (compared to me) submission game. The instructor did not award a higher belt to the collegiate wrestler (though he competed and won gold at blue belt at some local tournament). He did not award a higher belt to a guy with some JJJ experience (not sure of his JJJ rank).
    Sounds OK to me... ranking depends on more than smashing white belts at a BJJ tournament or two, I would hope.
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    Coming soon: Be cautious about the color of the t-shirt you wear for no-gi grappling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    So who says BJJ has a monopoly on "rank bars" ? The BJJ police ?
    Pretty much. If you buy a belt that says "bjj belt" on the package and you're haven't been given that rank than you're tryin to trick people imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    It shouldn't be a shell game to find out credentials either.
    No, it shouldn't. If you ask a direct question, you should expect a direct and truthful answer. If all martial arts consumers would ask direct questions, we'd have a lot less of these kinds of threads.

    I'm not defending charlatans, rather, I'm expressing that the ratio of students to instructors is a force-multiplier. It's easier to weed out crap when you have educated consumers, vs. coming up with some sort of regulation scheme that only directly affects the instructors.

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