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    Massages feel good, that's the best thing about them. Well, as long as it's not one of those deep tissue torture type of massages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjonghng View Post
    I find personally as a foam roller user that it doesnt nearly get deep enough into the tissue compared to the (attractive) lady's elbows at the place up the road from me
    Sounds like the woman I go to. Very pointy elbows and very strong fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    Most of the purported benefits surrounding manual therapies are bullshit.
    I still get some form of bodywork around 2x/month.
    Good article here on rolling that also pertains to massage etc: http://www.bettermovement.org/blog/2...m-rolling-work
    All I know is that when I go there I often have what feels like a hard-boiled egg inside each calve muscle and when I leave it's gone. Pretty sure I feel a little taller too... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Massage has peripherally been a part of my martial arts training across a few disciplines, which makes sense because a study of basic healing is useful for the fighting arts student. My first exposure was probably the use of dit da jow in conjunction with massage after conditioning the hands, forearms etc in kung fu (or on a bruise from sparring). The massage not only works the medicine into the skin but also circulates the fluids underneath the skin to discourage a stagnant bruise.

    When I got into arnis, one of the old guys I trained with was a hilot practitioner, the native medicine method of the Philippines. Hilot is heavy on massage and joint manipulation, and it has a bit of a reputation for being painful so many people would rather tell the hilot man that they're fine than have him work on them. I remember at a stickfighting tournament, one of my forearms was heavily bruised from rattan sticks and was barely working, and he did some hilot on it between matches. I was able to use my arm a lot better afterwards.

    During a brief stint in systema (lol), we did some Russian massage, where one person lays on their back and the other slowly walks around on top of them with the aid of a walking stick touching the ground. The pressure makes you want to tense up, but you must tell yourself not to, which is the basic systema approach to all challenges. I remember actually feeling surprisingly good after one of those sessions.

    Several years ago, I was introduced to the car buffer as a massage tool at a festival in the desert. I got one last year and my girlfriend and I use it regularly. She swims in the morning and the buffer helps keep the muscles in good shape. We've had good results using it for injury rehab too. I recently fucked up my back falling off a skateboard and it really helped to get the spasm-y feeling out of my lumbar nerves.

    Of course, manual massage using the hands etc, especially when done by someone who knows what they're doing, can allow for more precise and focused massage. But these days, my primary massage methods are the car buffer, dit da jow (homemade) on bruises, and topical CBD cream (homemade) for acute pain relief.

    I don't know how common massage is among the bullies here but it certainly sounds like its beneficial for you in particular.
    Twice a month at least. I couldn't train if I didnt.
    I like the shiatsu,deep tissue, and Thai massage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Massages feel good, that's the best thing about them. Well, as long as it's not one of those deep tissue torture type of massages.
    really? I find the deeper the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjonghng View Post
    really? I find the deeper the better
    Personal preference..

    I'm referring to the school of thought that painful massage aimed at fascia and "breaking up" "frozen" tissue is a good thing.

    and I'll let someone else take up the straight line...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjonghng View Post
    really? I find the deeper the better
    Mmmmmm low hangin' fruit.

    I believe , that's what she said.

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    Many other primates besides humans groom each other as an acknowledgement of their social structure with the other primates.
    Humans are odd primates,
    because we are social animals that have complex taboos on physical contact with each other in many of our modern societies.
    I think that is part of the reason that many people find Jiu-Jitsu addictive,
    is that it fulfills a deep primate / social animal need for physical contact that reinforces a social structure, as in other primate species.
    Massage may do the same thing;
    Fulfill a need for non-sexual physical human contact that reinforces social bonds and social pecking order.
    Massage likewise may have therapeutic value,
    or it may just be a surrogate for social grooming that other primate species routinely engage in.
    If that is the case, then hair cuts, straight razor shaves, etc, may also fill such needs.
    I would note that I have no data to back any of this up.
    It's something that I have often considered though.
    If we were not social animals, then no one would tap to submissions, we would just continue to fight as our arms broke.
    So, I have often thought that all of Jiu-Jitsu, wrestling, and other grappling arts could be defined as a form of tactile social communication,
    reinforcing social bonds,
    and also communicating positions of dominance within the social order of the group.
    Many of us old timers in grappling tell our new students that great combat sport champions often assert dominance in matches at first touch or earlier with body language, and again with every subsequent contact.
    In this model view of humans as social animals,
    we humans follow similar laws of social contact as horses, canines, and other primates,
    and have similar physical social contact needs,
    that may now go otherwise unfulfilled in our modern societies.
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    The social grooming aspect is valid but I'd extend that to "most vertebrates" and you're probably on to something there as it pertains to Jiu Jitsu as well.
    Therapeutically, neuromodulation as described in part by the foam rolling article above, is an interesting consideration in pain management.

    The work of Robert Sapolsky and Diane Jacobs come immediately to mind.

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