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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Oh right he has, but still most of the guys really have not even be GJJ guys.


    So have a lot of other people, I don't know if their is any finical connection between the two.





    I am not saying that this isn't a viable strategy but I don't think Torrance or the Family are on the hook for this.
    This would certainly be a HUGE favor to Ralek. On that they can probably afford to make.
    One that they should probably make to the community as a whole, but they are under no obligation to do so.

    Don't get me wrong Ralek, needs to make people whole again, but he may not have the option to get the loan you are talking about.
    If Ralek is driving a nice car, and he owes Prof Marcel $10,000, he can start by selling the car or signing over the pink slip to Marcel.

    Time to sell the watches, the guns, the cars, etc.
    And go do seminars at 2/3 price every week until every one gets paid back.
    Here's a pro tip if you are the school owner hosting Ralek: pay Ralek after the seminar is over, not before hand.
    I'm dead serious.
    That's what you do when you owe money.
    You put on your big boy pants and do what it takes to pay off what you owe to your partners and customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    If Ralek is driving a nice car, and he owes Prof Marcel $10,000, he can start by selling the car or signing over the pink slip to Marcel.

    Time to sell the watches, the guns, the cars, etc.
    And go do seminars at 2/3 price every week until every one gets paid back.
    Here's a pro tip if you are the school owner hosting Ralek: pay Ralek after the seminar is over, not before hand.
    I'm dead serious.
    That's what you do when you owe money.
    You put on your big boy pants and do what it takes to pay off what you owe to your partners and customers.
    Not to be be an asshole but does Ralek owe them money or does Metamoris?

    Corporations/companies fail it happens, being a contractor for many years I have been fucked out of plenty of pay checks because I would do project work for failing companies.
    It really sucks, but that is the nature of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Not to be be an asshole but does Ralek owe them money or does Metamoris?

    Corporations/companies fail it happens, being a contractor for many years I have been fucked out of plenty of pay checks because I would do project work for failing companies.
    It really sucks, but that is the nature of business.
    The question is: did the Metamoris corporation registration become inactive before or after Ralek continued to take payments, make offers, and accept services for which he had personally promised consideration in return.

    An expired corporation cannot make a promise or a contract or accept services or benefit from services rendered, but a person can.

    And, it is quite possible that a person did.

    The expiration date of the corporation is a matter of public record.

    I will probably fetch it at some point this weekend.

    We'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    The question is: did the Metamoris corporation registration become inactive before or after Ralek continued to take payments, make offers, and accept services for which he had personally promised consideration in return.

    An expired corporation cannot make a promise or a contract or accept services or benefit from services rendered, but a person can.

    And, it is quite possible that a person did.

    The expiration date of the corporation is a matter of public record.

    I will probably fetch it at some point this weekend.

    We'll see...
    By the way, I have already made an attempt to communicate about this matter more directly.

    Not just on this forum.

    Complaining on an Internet forum for its own sake is not my style.

    I'm looking forward to Prof Marcel, and my own student Prof Joshua Bacallao, and other people getting their money back more quickly than is currently happening.

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    I think the suggestion that non-owners of a company should be responsible for that company's debt is ridiculous. If my parents or my sibling or my aunts or uncles or cousins owed people money it is not my responsibility to pay them that money. That's just a silly notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    I think the suggestion that non-owners of a company should be responsible for that company's debt is ridiculous. If my parents or my sibling or my aunts or uncles or cousins owed people money it is not my responsibility to pay them that money. That's just a silly notion.
    I agree 100% with what you are saying here, I do think though they should do it, as it would be a good opportunity for them.
    That is if Metamoris can be restructured into something that will get them there money back.

    I think this would go a long way to help repair their reputation in the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I agree 100% with what you are saying here, I do think though they should do it, as it would be a good opportunity for them.
    That is if Metamoris can be restructured into something that will get them there money back.

    I think this would go a long way to help repair their reputation in the community.
    Whatever. If I were them, I'd steer clear of that fucking mess.

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    Do we have a total $ figure on this mess? How much the loan would have to actually be?
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    Fellow Bullshido Members,

    My students and colleagues who are owed money by Metamoris

    report that Metamoris has sent them a copy and pasted generic message

    Announcing a new Metamoris event,

    And encouraging them to participate and promote the event

    Even though they are already owed money by Metamoris.

    I urge all my colleagues not to pay any monies for the next Metamoris event

    Unless Marcel Goncalves has reported that he has been paid the large purse that he earned,

    And unless AJ Agazarm reports that he has been paid the purse that he earned,

    And until all the customers who are owed refunds have started reporting that they have been repaid.

    If we do not take care of the real fighters who grind it out to advance our art, who will?

    It never pays to keep giving money to someone who already owes you a refund.

    Just because someone believes they wear a famous name does not mean we can allow them to use our monies to step on the necks of the real fighters.

    It's not right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    If Ralek is driving a nice car, and he owes Prof Marcel $10,000, he can start by selling the car or signing over the pink slip to Marcel.

    Time to sell the watches, the guns, the cars, etc.
    And go do seminars at 2/3 price every week until every one gets paid back.
    Here's a pro tip if you are the school owner hosting Ralek: pay Ralek after the seminar is over, not before hand.
    I'm dead serious.
    That's what you do when you owe money.
    You put on your big boy pants and do what it takes to pay off what you owe to your partners and customers.
    That is how you operate a moral and ethical business as an owner. I think people are saying we/you shouldn't expect such behavior for some reason.
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    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
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    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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