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  1. JackHanma is offline
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    Posted On:
    5/12/2004 7:26pm


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    Wristlocks and Aliveness.

    It is my understanding that wristlocks are considered "small joint manipulation" and are therefore banned from MMA competition. The reason for this is that some wristlocks are likely to cause a break before the opponent can tap.

    If this is correct then it prompts the question: If wristlocks are too dangerous for competition then wouldn't if follow that they are too dangerous for "alive" (full resistance) training?

    If they can't be trained in an "alive" mannor then how would someone determine there actual ability to execute such a lock during an actual fight?
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    If you made the same case for elbows this thread would be more interesting.
    "I'm offering straight punch, kick while downed to the ribs or head, and of course- the german suplex...which is one suplex quickly followed by another." - Guerilla Fists

    Matt Thornton explains "aliveness": http://www.bullshido.com/videos/sbg2.wmv

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    (experiment to see if I can boost the thread's Google rank)

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    Wristlocks aren't small joint manipulations I don't think. They're allowed in the UFC...

    They can be trained in an alive manner - they don't work.
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    Posted On:
    5/12/2004 8:18pm

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    sheeeet, the dude i used to grapple with used to try them all the time on me, got it once or twice too, and that was pretty alive i think. unless you guys are talking about standing wristlocks, then i'd agree, standing wristlocks make baby jesus cry.

    of course i blame it on me getting into a fight with a brick, but that's a separate story.
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    Posted On:
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    It's called training. After a while, you get to where you can execute a joint lock at full speed and stop right before everything turns loose. Even though all joint locks can be breaks, you can't take it that far in training, otherwise students quit coming to class.
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    I'm talking about standing wristlocks.
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    Tomiki style aikido goes all out, if Mong still posted here he could tell you all about it
    "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -A. Lincoln

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    How so? maybe if you're holding on to the guy with one hand...
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    Posted On:
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    wrist locks are a lot more useful against unsuspecting schmos then well-trained fighters
    "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -A. Lincoln

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    I've yet to see one being pulled off. I don't think they are very good/workable techniques.
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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