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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Good luck on finding a shotgun you can afford. A fun way to get in range time is to shoot trap or skeet.
    Also I find that oddly beneficial to pistol shooting.
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    Lol I've purchased a CZ P10C, Swiss K31, and an Egyptian Hakim rifle in the time it's taken lant3rn to lay out his groundbreaking opinions on the 2nd Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassius View Post
    Lol I've purchased a CZ P10C, Swiss K31, and an Egyptian Hakim rifle in the time it's taken lant3rn to lay out his groundbreaking opinions on the 2nd Amendment.
    Props on the K31 purchase. Never fired one but the straight pull bolt design, standard of high tolerances and well, made by the Swiss is porn to someone who's father's passion was building fine rifles from military arms.

    Review maybe in the future? Please?

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    Also as someone who has spent a large amount of time doing firearms training for work and as a hobby, the idea that several hour firearms safety course (or a bunch of other crazy rules and regulations, but that's not related to the point I'm making) would constitute anything other than an impediment to firearms ownership for the poor is ridiculous.

    As to why I "need" an AR pattern rifle (don't give a **** what AR stands for, by the way): because I've been shooting one for work for 11 years. Glock 19 as well since 2009 or so. I shoot those two firearms the best. So I want to be able to protect my family with what I shoot best, and can do so very well and safely with proper ammunition selection. Also, if I choose to go hunting, I want to do it with the firearms I shoot best. Since AR pattern rifles are available chambered in anything from small rimfire to serious big bore cartridges, why shouldn't I use one? Or five. I think I currently own five. Honestly who knows at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    Props on the K31 purchase. Never fired one but the straight pull bolt design, standard of high tolerances and well, made by the Swiss is porn to someone who's father's passion was building fine rifles from military arms.

    Review maybe in the future? Please?
    I have a Schmidt-Rubin model 1911 too. 102 years old or so. Buttery smooth, and incredibly accurate. GP11 ammunition is pretty fantastic, too. Been looking for a K31 since last year, since the 1911 is so nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    I would rather buy new and from a dealer so I know everything is right out the gate as I only have passing experience with firearms.
    do your homework then and buy from a dealer you know well and trust, because putting faith in the fact that it's a new gun, and from a dealer isn't going to help if it's a brand new remington that they sell you and it rusts within a week or has issues ejecting shells or one of the many other QC issues that are common with remingtons now.

    if you're looking for a good shotgun for not much money, look for police trade-ins, especially pre 2007 remingtons. they usually spend most of their time in a cruiser, not being fired.
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    Glad but..

    The guys in Texas did save lives..though I get more provoking thought not on the guns..but the spirit of folks who (a): wish to see guns go away and (b): wish to see a gun in every 'pot'. The line drawn limiting firearms that gun pros (some) say is based on fear. Then the gun cons drive against the 'deadly' assault rifle culture. I think I sit on fence mostly on this. I find great irony in the organizations that drive both opinions and what they really seek to accomplish. I am probably going in a a general direction on how debate in general is handled in the late few years in general versus actual gun debate..I feel like the majority of EITHER side is more interested in inflaming rather than improving. True debate has no need to insult, offend, or disrespect the other side. Not if your really right anyway. I dont think the US could physically pull off the the gun shutdown that advocates rail ad nauseum about. Questions should be asked. And there other points of life besides the 2nd amendment. Imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    They do have a couple Mossbergs I have been looking at listed. I am REAL hesitant to buy online tho... I would rather buy new and from a dealer so I know everything is right out the gate as I only have passing experience with firearms.
    Go with the Mossberg. Great shotgun. I've got a few. I bought one, origionally after we shot the **** out of them at the range and I saw the abuse we put them through and they kept ticking. I've also got a little 20 gauge Mossburg that my dad used for squirrel hunting when he was a kid and I use it for the same. My 12 gauge mossburg has been converted to a tactical with a short barrel and pistol grip I ordered. It's a pretty cool and versatile shotgun. If you can afford better like a Remington or something, go for it. But for the money, Mossburg will treat you well.
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