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  1. Mr. Mantis is offline
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    Originally posted by DJeter1234
    would waivers then be a contract between all parties mutually as opposed to between each member and the owner of the place?
    You changed the major premise, so in this instance the answer is: No, both should be executed.
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    "my grand father said that laughter is the best medicine. looking back three of us died of tuburculosis."

    "the crows seemed to be calling him though caw"--------Deeper thoughts

    onlookers shouldnt be a problem. for a year and a half a couple of friends and I had to practice in the park. It was really nice with the fresh air and all. onlookers generally are just curious, but every once in a while you might get one of those "you're not so tough" guys walkin around. just get rid of him or allow him to join in. the police were generally considerate of our space and didn't really bother us. they came over to see what was up and after we told him it was a martial arts club they were like ok.. as long as youre not scaring the other people in the park you wont have difficulty
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    Originally posted by jubei33
    as long as youre not scaring the other people in the park you wont have difficulty
    Man.... that sucks. So no eye gouges or dim mak then...... arr...!!!1
    Now or never.
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    I know it is a matter if people are willing to enforce the law but I found a section of the California Penal Code that would seem to suggest that a throwdon in a public park would be considered illegal.

    Section 415. Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
    in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
    not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
    and fine:
    (1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
    challenges another person in a public place to fight.
    (2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
    person by loud and unreasonable noise.
    (3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
    are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.
    Furthermore if things get out of hand and they classify what happened as an assualt there are harsher penalties associated with being in a public park:
    Section 241.2. (a) (1) When an assault is committed on school or park
    property against any person, the assault is punishable by a fine not
    exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by imprisonment in the
    county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and
    imprisonment.
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    Another Section seems to suggest that the only way to fight legally is to hold an approved amateur boxing competition.

    412. Any person, who, within this state, engages in, or instigates,
    aids, encourages, or does any act to further, a pugilistic contest,
    or fight, or ring or prize fight, or sparring or boxing exhibition,
    taking or to take place either within or without this state, between
    two or more persons, with or without gloves, for any price, reward or
    compensation, directly or indirectly, or who goes into training
    preparatory to such pugilistic contest, or fight, or ring or prize
    fight, or sparring or boxing exhibition, or acts as aider, abettor,
    backer, umpire, referee, trainer, second, surgeon, or assistant, at
    such pugilistic contest, or fight, or ring or prize fight, or
    sparring or boxing exhibition, or who sends or publishes a challenge
    or acceptance of a challenge, or who knowingly carries or delivers
    such challenge or acceptance, or who gives or takes or receives any
    tickets, tokens, prize, money, or thing of value, from any person or
    persons, for the purpose of seeing or witnessing any such pugilistic
    contest, or fight, or ring or prize fight, or sparring or boxing
    exhibition, or who, being the owner, lessee, agent, or occupant of
    any vessel, building, hotel, room, enclosure or ground, or any part
    thereof, whether for gain, hire, reward or gratuitously or otherwise,
    permits the same to be used or occupied for such a pugilistic
    contest, or fight, or ring or prize fight, or sparring or boxing
    exhibition, or who lays, makes, offers or accepts, a bet or bets, or
    wager or wagers, upon the result or any feature of any pugilistic
    contest, or fight, or ring or prize fight, or sparring or boxing
    exhibition, or acts as stakeholder of any such bet or bets, or wager
    or wagers, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction
    thereof, shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars nor more
    than one thousand dollars and be imprisoned in the county jail not
    less than thirty days nor exceeding one year; provided, however, that
    amateur boxing exhibitions may be held within this state, of a
    limited number of rounds, not exceeding four of the duration of three
    minutes each; the interval between each round shall be one minute,
    and the contestants weighing one hundred and forty-five pounds or
    over shall wear gloves of not less than eight ounces each in weight,
    and contestants weighing under one hundred and forty-five pounds may
    wear gloves of not less than six ounces each in weight. All gloves
    used by contestants in such amateur boxing exhibitions shall be so
    constructed, as that the soft padding between the outside coverings
    shall be evenly distributed over the back of said gloves and cover
    the knuckles and back of the hands. And no bandages of any kind
    shall be used on the hands or arms of the contestants. For the
    purpose of this statute an amateur boxing exhibition shall be and is
    hereby defined as one in which no contestant has received or shall
    receive in any form, directly or indirectly, any money, prize, reward
    or compensation either for the expenses of training for such contest
    or for taking part therein, except as herein expressly provided.
    Nor shall any person appear as contestant in such amateur exhibition
    who prior thereto has received any compensation or reward in any form
    for displaying, exercising or giving any example of his skill in or
    knowledge of athletic exercises, or for rendering services of any
    kind to any athletic organization or to any person or persons as
    trainer, coach, instructor or otherwise, or who shall have been
    employed in any manner professionally by reason of his athletic skill
    or knowledge; provided, however, that a medal or trophy may be
    awarded to each contestant in such amateur boxing exhibitions, not to
    exceed in value the sum of $35.00 each, which such medal or trophy
    must have engraved thereon the name of the winner and the date of the
    event; but no portion of any admission fee or fees charged or
    received for any amateur boxing exhibition shall be paid or given to
    any contestant in such amateur boxing exhibition, either directly or
    indirectly, nor shall any gift be given to or received by such
    contestants for participating in such boxing exhibition, except said
    medal or trophy. At every amateur boxing exhibition held in this
    state and permitted by this section of the Penal Code, any sheriff,
    constable, marshal, policeman or other peace officer of the city,
    county or other political subdivision, where such exhibition is being
    held, shall have the right to, and it is hereby declared to be his
    duty to stop such exhibition, whenever it shall appear to him that
    the contestants are so unevenly matched or for any other reason, the
    said contestants have been, or either of them, has been seriously
    injured or there is danger that said contestants, or either of them,
    will be seriously injured if such contest continues, and he may call
    to his assistance in enforcing his order to stop said exhibition, as
    many peace officers or male citizens of the state as may be necessary
    for that purpose. Provided, further, that any contestant who shall
    continue to participate in such exhibition after an order to stop
    such exhibition shall have been given by such peace officer, or who
    shall violate any of the regulations herein prescribed, for governing
    amateur boxing exhibitions, shall be deemed guilty of violating this
    section of the Penal Code and subject to the punishment herein
    provided.
    Nothing in this section contained shall be construed to prevent
    any county, city and county, or incorporated city or town from
    prohibiting, by ordinance, the holding or conducting of any boxing
    exhibition, or any person from engaging in any such boxing exhibition
    therein.
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    California sucks

    It's not fighting.
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    Posted On:
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    They do say "unlawfully fighting."
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    this would be a DC throwdown backup plan if no one can find a place/organize it. I know of quite a few parks on the MD side that have a few secluded grassy parts if you don't mind walking/running a half a mile
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    They do say "unlawfully fighting."
    But as far as I can tell the second post (Section 412) states fighting is only lawful if it falls under amateur boxing.

    Section 412 seems incredilby wide in scope. As fat as I can tell anyone involved with an organized fight that doesn't meet the set requirements of an amatuer boxing exhibition is subject to the law. ANYONE. Fighters, trainers, referees, specatators.

    Just read this part:
    412. Any person, who, within this state, engages in, or instigates,
    aids, encourages, or does any act to further, a pugilistic contest,
    or fight, or ring or prize fight, or sparring or boxing exhibition,
    taking or to take place either within or without this state, between
    two or more persons, with or without gloves, for any price, reward or
    compensation, directly or indirectly, or who goes into training
    preparatory to such pugilistic contest, or fight, or ring or prize
    fight, or sparring or boxing exhibition, or acts as aider, abettor,
    backer, umpire, referee, trainer, second, surgeon, or assistant, at
    such pugilistic contest, or fight, or ring or prize fight, or
    sparring or boxing exhibition, or who sends or publishes a challenge
    or acceptance of a challenge, or who knowingly carries or delivers
    such challenge or acceptance,
    The way I feel according to this sparring at my dojo is technically illegal. Not that people would actual enforce the law in this matter, but it is one the books.
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    and, of course, this woudl be in MD or VA, making that CA law irrelevent.
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