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  1. elipson is offline
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    Never killed anyone eh? what about the people who get stoned and then crash their car and kill someone? I'm not taking sides on this issues, cuz i just dont want to, but saying pot doesn't hurt people would be pretty niave.

    I'm not saying its better or worse then alcohol/smoking, but thats kinda like saying a kick in the face is better then a kick in the balls aint it?

    I personally dont like the idea of it being legal, but I think its really retarded that ppl go to jail for it and waste all those law enforcement resources.

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    sigh, I don't smoke it...not for a long damn time, when I was young I did.
    BUT, I believe that stats show, booze causes accidents, but seldom do you hear of someone crashing their car & it was found they were smoking pot. Alcohol realated wrecks are listed as number one killer of teens & young adults.

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    You nearly never hear about accidents while driving high because it doesn't affect your motor skills anywhere near the level of alchohol. It also doensn't make you want to come home and beat the **** out of your wife. You don't wake up covered in piss and vomit after you take it either.

    Elipson, really check into this man. You sound like you think that Marijuana is even in the same UNIVERSE as alchohol and tobacco. If you really check it out you'll see what I'm talking about. Its not even comparable. There have been books written describing why older people would BENEFIT from using marijuana.

    We're all told what to think from the minute we're born. Your thrust tinto a world where advertisements tell you what to wear, television tells you what your life should be like, magazines tell us what we're supposed to look like, and CNN tells us how bad everyone else has it so we feel lucky.

    None of this shiit is real.

    A Brittish pariament committee wrote a large report with the botom line being to stop imprisoning marijuana users. It also scoffed at eh 'Gateway theory', a theory created by a man fired for incompetance who later stated his findings were 'meaningless'.
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


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    peedee you are one of the smartest people on this board. chronic is actually pretty safe, and ive never herd of car crashes coused by chronic. it makes you want to just listen to snoop dogg and order a pizza, the total opposite that alchohal does to you.
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    From the link that I posted:

    4.8 Analysis of blood samples from road traffic fatalities in 1996-97 (the results of the first 15 months of a three year DETR study—Press Notice 94/Transport, 11 February 1998) showed that 8 per cent of the victims were positive for cannabis, including 10 per cent of the victims who were driving
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    10% is a lot....
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    4.6 Intoxication with cannabis leads to a slight impairment of psychomotor and cognitive function, which is important for those driving a vehicle, flying an aircraft or operating machinery (DH Q 197). The Department of Health rate this as "the major concern from a public health perspective" raised by recreational use (p 46), and Professor Hall considers it the most serious possible short-term consequence of cannabis use, both for the user and for the public (p 222).

    Another interesting tidbit. Although I'd still be for alcohol and cigarette prohibition before MJ. Too bad prohibition doesn't work....
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    4.13 Cannabis can have untoward long-term effects on cognitive performance, i.e. the performance of the brain, particularly in heavy users. These have been reviewed for us by the Royal College of Psychiatrists and the Royal Society. While users may show little or no impairment in simple tests of short-term memory, they show significant impairments in tasks that require more complex manipulation of learned material (so-called "executive" brain functions) (Edwards Q 21). There is some evidence that some impairment in complex cognitive function may persist even after cannabis use is discontinued[10]; but such residual deficits if present are small, and their presence controversial (van Amsterdam Q 494, Hall Q 741)

    Sounds like great stuff....
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    Cannabis is illegal mainly because of the difficulties in a) Testing for blood level concentration for drug driving offences and b) raising revenue from taxation.
    There is progress being made in A with the development of disposable drug testing kits.
    When governments find a way to tax it, then it will probably be legalised.
    As far as I'm concerned, it should be in the same class as alcohol, illegal to consume below a certain age, illegal to drive above a certain amount, etc.

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  10. KC Elbows

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    "Never killed anyone eh? what about the people who get stoned and then crash their car and kill someone? I'm not taking sides on this issues, cuz i just dont want to, but saying pot doesn't hurt people would be pretty niave."

    Read the report that brandisansoo put up. It cannot link pot to accidents.

    Apparently, PeeDee and I are of exactly the same mind on this, especially in the fact that it has been propagandized to death. Nowadays, people take as fact things that have never been proven about pot, just because that's what they were once told.

    Example- the brain damage thing. When I was in high school, this was the reason why no one should smoke pot, other than it leading to 'harder stuff'. At that time, the only study that suggested that pot caused brain damage involved rats in airtight cages given ONLY pot smoke to breathe for extended periods. Of course, lack of oxygen on it's own will cause brain damage, but never mind that inconvenient point.

    As for leading to harder stuff, I don't know the numbers, but I do know a lot more people who only did pot, and not that many who moved on to harder things.

    As for cancer and all that, that's in the smoke. If it were legal, people could grow their own, and thus produce enough to make tea viable and cheap, as opposed to smoking it. And there would go the major part of the cancer argument.
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