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    Dr. Rick Rogers Ph.D. C.S.C.S. - Defence [sic] Lab Denver

    Recently, I was at the Denver ComiCon and I saw a very questionable demonstration of self-defense techniques. Granted, the demonstration's title indicated the content would be the martial art used by the Dark Knight choreographers in the most recent Batman movies, so I wasn't expecting much. However, the demonstration indicated that one could become proficient in the demonstrated style in a matter of months, learning only 40 techniques, and thus be able to defend oneself.


    The demonstrated techniques included a side control escape that I could not see working against a resisting opponent. A demonstration of the "inferior" Muay Thai kicks, "which do not follow through" didn't seem to ring true. The remainder of the demonstration consisted of other techniques that would only appear to work against a static, non-resisting opponent.

    So, I decided to look the instructor up after the event. What I found was the standard set of red flags of a Bullshido artist that typically graces the MABS sub-forum. The "high belt rank or teaching certifications in 18 different arts" seemed par for the course. My inability to find a fight record, amateur or professional, makes me question the accuracy of the term "retired professional fighter" as applied to Dr. Rick Rogers.

    Here's a link with the text quoted for posterity:

    http://www.defencelabdenver.com/instructors/


    Dr. Rick Rogers Ph.D. C.S.C.S.

    Rick comes to us from the West coast with a wealth of experience, versatility and education.
    A retired professional fighter, he has 30 plus years of training in the combat arts, over 25 years of teaching experience and 13 years of competing under his belt.
    He has trained and taught the world over, having worked with every level from complete beginners to seasoned professionals, Military, and Federal and local law enforcement agencies.
    Rick holds high level belt rank or teaching certifications in 18 different systems specializing in Defence Labs SDX program, the Filipino martial arts, Bruce Lees Jeet Kune Do Concepts, Muay Thai kickboxing, Krav Maga, MMA and other self defense and weapon systems.
    Having literally grown up in the health and fitness field, he holds a Doctorate degree in Sports Education, a Masters degree in Exercise Science with concentrations in functional strength and conditioning and fat loss, a Bachelors degree in Kinesiology ( the study of human movement) with a minor in nutrition as well as being a certified master personal trainer, certified master group fitness instructor and nutritionist.
    He also has certifications in Crossfit, 3 forms of yoga, mat pilates and is a level 3 kettle bell and gymnastics instructor.
    He can be seen using his expertise as a Physical Therapy assistant helping rehabilitate an injury one moment and shortly after using his Mixed Martial Art Conditioning Specialist certification to prepare a fighter for their next competition then helping a new person get on track to lose that first 5 pounds.His classes are fun, effective and intense, and when not teaching he can be seen around the gym helping people with everything from proper technique, wrapping hands to answering fitness questions of all types all the while with a smile and a kind word or a really cheesy joke.

    Based on that information, I sent a couple of different emails to the Defence Lab Denver and Synergy Martial Arts and Fitness contact pages. Here is a copy of what I sent, minus the greeting and salutation.

    I was at the Denver Comic Con today and I saw only a portion of your presentation. But what I saw piqued my interest.

    I am interested in learning more about your school, martial arts style and instructors.

    How long has this school been operating? The presentation indicated that only a short time was needed to develop proficiency in your style, is this the Keysi Fighting Method style? Are there other styles that are taught as well?

    I read Dr. Rick Rogers' bio and it references a professional fighting career. Can you tell me what kinds of bouts these were? What promotions were these bouts in? I wasn't able to find any additional information when I did a quick internet search.

    Can you provide any additional information on Dr. Rogers' martial arts history? 18 styles and/or systems seems like a very impressive number of certifications And teaching authorizations. Can you clarify what these ranks are and who awarded them?
    I did not receive a response to either inquiry. I haven't yet planned a visit to the school, nor have I contacted anyone from Defence [sic] Lab by phone.

    I'd be interested to hear the opinions of others here.
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    It's a bit unusual to use both Dr. and PhD. in your name, usually you pick one or the other, and I find it a little strange that he doesn't state where the PhD came from. I see you asked about the awarding bodies for his degrees, so it should be interesting to see what that turns up.

    I've never heard of a "physical therapy assistant" before, and even after looking it up, I'm not clear what they do. I do see that they usually have to be licensed, and I would have thought he would include that licensing in his kitchen-sink list of qualifications. It also says he's trained people for fights. You might want to find out who these people are and if he was their primary trainer, or if he just has some tangential connection with them.
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    If he is a doctor/PhD it might be worth asking what his research was on and where it is published.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scipio View Post
    If he is a doctor/PhD it might be worth asking what his research was on and where it is published.
    This would be an interesting question to ask.

    Right now though I don't have any major reason to doubt his academic qualifications. Mainly I feel that this is a guy who has thrown every last little weekend course he's done onto his CV, who might be including martial arts he's just dabbled in, and who is stuck in a 2003 "street vs. sport" la-la mindset.
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    Oh btw, I just noticed you have a [sic] in the title there. "Defence" (with a "c") is how it's spelled in the UK, where the founder, Andy Norman, is from.
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    Thanks CrackFox and scipio. I was more focused on the martial arts claims, but here's a LinkedIn profile for Rick Rogers:
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rick-rogers/16/3a2/b2b

    It lists Synergy as the current employer, so I believe this is the same individual.

    The University of California is listed as the source of the doctorate in sports education. I don't see a degree in sports education on the UC graduate admissions pages, though there are several Ph.D. programs in education listed across the UC system.

    There was an interesting Wikipedia page for the other University listed on Dr. Rogers' LinkedIn bio, though. Belford University would seem to be a diploma mill that was shut down in 2012, at least according to the Wikipedia article.

    Belford University was an organization that offered online unaccredited degrees for "life experience". The organization maintained a post office box in Humble, Texas, but its certificates were mailed from the United Arab Emirates.[1]

    On August 31, 2012, Belford University was shut down and its founder, Salem Kureshi, had been “ordered to pay $22.7 million in damages”.[2] “The judgment established the truth of allegations that Belford High School and Belford University are fake schools that do not actually exist.”[3] Court documents from "McClusley v. Belford University" revealed that Belford University was run by 30-year old Salem Kureshi from his apartment in Karachi, Pakistan.[4][5] The court found that Kureshi “operates a sophisticated internet ripoff scheme through various websites, which falsely represent the existence of an accredited and legitimate high school, whose diplomas will be widely accepted by employers, professional associations, other schools, colleges and universities.”[6] Kureshi has created 44 online universities and more than 100 promotional websites. “With an inkjet printer, a Microsoft Word template, and a few cheap websites, Kureshi became an overnight millionaire.”[7] He earns over $70 million per year “selling fake diplomas.”[8] He is currently involved in a class action lawsuit over his involvement with Rochville University.[9] Although a U.S. District Court ordered its website to be shut down, as of February 25, 2013, Belford University continues to operate from an alternate website address.[10]
    Here's the link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belford_University
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    Oh btw, I just noticed you have a [sic] in the title there. "Defence" (with a "c") is how it's spelled in the UK, where the founder, Andy Norman, is from.
    Ah, my apologies. If this develops further, perhaps a mod will be so kind as to correct my error.
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    Defence Lab North America does list Rick Rogers as an instructor on this page:
    http://www.defencelabnorthamerica.co...ster-colorado/

    Here's a link to the description of the instructor program:
    http://www.defencelabnorthamerica.com/defence-lab-idp/

    Rick Rogers is listed as "Year 2" here: http://www.defencelabnorthamerica.com/find-a-school/ and "Phase 1" on the Westminster location page.

    While this is verified, there is still the matter of 17 other "high level belt rank or teaching certifications," the professional fighting career and now perhaps the academic credentials.
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    Oh oh, so I guess his whole academic side *is* questionable. I guess it's important to focus on the martial arts side of things, but he does seem to be passing himself off as a fitness expert as much as a martial arts expert, so it probably is worth pressing home.

    As an aside, I have to say that Defence Labs looks even lamer than Keysi Fighting Method, which is quite an achievement.
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    Yes, though it has turned out that the academic history may also be embellished if not fabricated, I'd rather focus on the martial arts portion.

    The demonstration I saw seemed to be what someone with possibly a year or two in a system lacking aliveness could demonstrate, not what I would expect from a former professional fighter with a lifetime of training.

    So far, limited experience in a lackluster art, some cardio boxing and cardio kickboxing instruction at an L.A. Boxing is all I can reasonably verify. A phase 2 level would seem to be achievable with as few as 12 days of seminar instruction. The $1000 buy in and $285 monthly fee to be in the instructor program for Defence Lab seems a bit excessive to me.

    The MMA Conditioning certification seems to be an online $300 course, I have yet to dig into further fitness claims, but I will do so as time allows.

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