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  1. Euripides is offline

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    Quick question on synchronizing footwork with a basic 1,2

    Hi, I'm a very beginner level boxer and have started adding some punches to my repertoire, but one thing I've been struggling to get a handle on is when exactly my punches should be landing, in respect of my footwork or current step.

    Both my past gym and current gym suggested complete greenhorns move in then punch when starting off with footwork to help avoid separating the feet too far or losing power on the straight, but where they differed is on punching while moving.


    1. My old boxing gym (And also my old MT gym) would suggest you throw the jab while stepping in with the lead foot, and aim to land the jab at full extension as the left-lead foot lands and forward momentum is complete. Then a follow up straight would land as the right-rear foot moves in to match the now extended left-lead foot, ideally landing at full extension right as the right-rear foot lands to bring your feet back together.
    ....This basically gives the appearance of punching as you step


    2. My current gym suggests not landing the jab until the second foot or right-rear foot has landed and the jab seems to come with more force as your entire body is behind it. This also means that by the time the jab is landing, both feet are back to neutral (instead of spread apart as in 1.) and so you can immediately throw the straight with power from being planted or move again on the straight by circling right.




    tl;dr
    1. Is jab lands as left foot moves forward, straight lands as right foot moves forward

    2. Is jab lands as entire body or rather, both feet move foward, then when set down with both feet back at neutral distance/stance, the straight is thrown fully planted.
    (If you're stepping slowly instead of doing a small glide you'd think of it as jabbing as the second/rear/right foot lands, not the first/lead/left foot)



    It would seem to me that 1. is ideal for landing the jab as fast as possible and as a complete surprise, but then it becomes shittier for follow up as the straight is slowed down, there's less options for right power shots (feet too far), and less ease to circle-left jab or circle-right straight since, again, your feet are separated immediately after the jab.
    Hell even trying to double up on the left would be shittier in method 1. since after the first jab, your feet are now seperated and the right foot must slide in before another jab can be thrown.


    I was curious how other people on the forum handle basic footwork and if they have any opinion on these two different approaches to very basic punching. I'm just starting sparring again and only throwing straights so I'm trying to get a better feel for what works best for me, and while I currently like the 2. method, I wanted some feedback on anyone who punches differently.
    It also seems like my jab is stronger with 2, albeit slower, so the benefits extend beyond follow up speed supplanting initial punch speed, but I figure someone with real sparring or fighting experience could espouse the virtues of each, and maybe suggest other tools to try.
    Last edited by Euripides; 6/24/2014 1:44pm at . Reason: Minor typos
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    first, number 1. for sure.
    I do not think that you gain more power by waiting for your right leg to join, also, i tried this, and to get the power you basically step forward, stop and than jab... to get some power behind it you will have to lean forward too much and lose stability.
    You also mentioned speed and surprise, lets say number 2 gets you more power..what good does it do if you did not catch him by surprise? you hit his glove or the air or ate a counter punch...
    another thing, you step forward with the lead leg, as it touches the ground your jab lands, and immediately your right leg comes forward a bit so now you are in your original stance ready for the next jab. (for a double jab you need also to remember to take your left shoulder back before the next jab for some added power).
    The moment your body moves forward to strike, your opponent starts his attack/defense, you cant move forward and than attack, you will eat so many counter punches that otherwise might have been avoided.
    If you are worried about the strength of the jab, don't. A jab need not be powerful, it is more important that it is fast and accurate while exposing you to as little as possible. with time and technique you will gain strength and crispiness in it.
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    Both are correct. Boxing is full of contradictions.
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    You don't have to move either foot to land a strong jab.
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    Bored at work; made a video

    I think option 1 is way better.

    There's really no reason to step straight into range if you're not coming in behind a punch or head movement. I feel like option 2 would get you intercepted by a jab very frequently.

    In general, I'm a big fan of stepping on both the jab and the cross, rather than dragging/sliding the rear foot up after you kickboxer style. I think it gives you more control of your footwork and makes directional changes easier.

    I'm bored as hell at work, so I did a quick video of some of the footwork I like to do off of a 1-2 step.

    1) Basic 1-2 step. Land the jab as your lead foot touches the ground, land the cross as your rear foot touches the ground in a turned position (identical to how it would turn on a stationary punch). After finishing the punch, you unwind your hip and step back into a normal stance.

    2) 1-2 step, drop step, 2. Your rear foot rebounds after landing the two, momentarily bringing your head out of punching range. For a second you land in a widened karate-esque L-stance. It's imperative that you don't settle; you just rebound again and come back with another stepping 2.

    3) 1-2 step, sidestep hook. Naturally you want to unwind your hip after stepping on that 2. Rather than unwinding into a normal stance, you redirect that uncorking energy to step sideways (toward your rear) while throwing a hook. Your timing has to be good on this one. Since you're not in contact with the ground, you have to make sure your hook connects in sync with the shifting of your weight a split second before/as you land your rear foot.

    4) 1-2 step, lunging 2. Because you've stepped on your 2, your rear leg is already poised to push yourself forward. With the same timing as the last punch, you want to land the strike a split second before your lead foot touches down from the lunge.

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    lol floor is slippery and these wooden-soled shoes have no traction. I totally skipped on the 1-2, dropstep 2.

    In any case, good topic. I find myself discussing this one very frequently with people.

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