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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It blows my mind how people can form this concept in their head that a style can be too deadly to practice, and that aliveness somehow dilutes the martial art.

    I still remember the first time I sparred as an early teen -- despite 2 years-ish of Muay Thai training, the moment I stepped in the ring for light sparring I realized how insanely difficult it is to land even the most basic 1,2 and how jarring it is to eat a full kick to the body or hooks, and yet keep your eyes on the opponent and avoid dropping your hands.

    You realize how utterly useless shadow boxing and mitt/bag work is compared to actually having to range find, absorb blows going in and controlling your reflexes against an opponent, and you realize how unique every individual opponent is and what it means to account for size, speed and strength differentials. I knew nothing of my sports until I had the chance to spar and even now I still barely know anything -- so to see people obsessed with compliance-based arts and put such faith and confidence in their untested (or rather, very poorly tested) abilities is alien to me.


    ...I feel like people who don't spar are just hopeless optimists. They're happy to trust a system or instructor without proof, and they'll believe in a technique's effectiveness without any empirical evidence.



    Not to mention, old NHB/Vale Tudo matches and even original UFC had like 3 fucking rules to distinguish it from a pure self defense scenario.
    For Chrissakes, I'm sure we all remember Keith Hackney karmically bashing that bowler hat throwing rapist Joe San in the balls, right? So with such little differentiation from a pure street fight scenario, how did we see all those bullshidos get reamed in the early matches? (lol at ninjutsu)
    Like no biting, fishhooks, and eye gouging were the SOLE rules, and yet all those deadly standing joint locks, throat punches and monkey grips peach techniques were nonexistant. For fucks sakes, the real nerds probably even remember that disgusting Nakao Gordeau fight were even after suffering a PERMANENTLY SCARRING AND BLINDING eye gouge, Nakao was able to fight through and win. So suddenly all those insta-kill shot eye gouges, groin strikes and other techniques don't seem so infallible lol



    ...to be more on point OP and without addressing all your ridiculous arguments, try to use an Occam's razor approach if you're too lazy to do the research and find proof. If a technique seems really damn practical it probably is. Even better if there's a ton of evidence showing it effecting against a resisting opponent. I mean Christ, I can't count how many times I've easily been able to win a street fight simply because I punch straight... No one throws Godamn straights, it's incredible lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma2343 View Post
    I always find it funny that these "too deadly, no roolz!" people think that sports fighters are helpless against slight modifications of stuff that already do during training.

    Your kick is aiming for my groin? Oh no, all my experience avoiding inside leg kicks is useless!

    Your hand is aiming for my eye or throat? Oh no, all my experience dealing with a variety of punches just flew out the window!

    You're going to try and strangle me or gouge out my eyes while in my guard? Gah, if only I hadn't wasted all this time training to break postures and control limbs!

    Oh, you're going to try to hammer my balls while I have dominant position on the ground? AIIIEEEEE!!!
    I think this view is an extension of the justification for katas and compliance.
    The only way people can justify spending a decade of their life and untold money practicing forms with no real application is that they not only HAVE TO, since the form is so deadly, but they know it'll work since fighting scenarios just turn you into a Robo-Cop-esque autopilot warrior where you repeat your training.

    So many of these hillarious threads have people claim if you practice punches you won't be able to eye poke lol Hello, Jon Jones? It's called opening your hand when you jab... Or If you practice BJJ or Judo you won't be able to actually break limbs in a self defense scenario, because applying more force is unheard of and we don't regularly see technical submissions in grappling and MMA tourneys lol

    And like you said, you not only have easy applicability for defense, such as avoiding an inside leg kick, but anyone who's sparred a bit also knows how easy it is to accidentally kick someone's nads with an inside leg kick or knee. Imagine how much better your nut crunching abilities would be, OP, if you practiced kicking full force and against an evading opponent in a sport setting... When you'd finally get in a fight, all you'll need is a slight redirection to become a regular Laurena Bobbet

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