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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    That drill is great and that guard is very interesting. I already do some of that stuff but a good chunk is new to me. I'll give a try in training today.
    Also, the speed needed to keep the 50-50 guard functional on MMA is very important, specially taking into account you can get your face blasted if you're not fast enough.
    Fagella said it great, it's a contest of wills.
    Check this fight, both great leg lockers with amazing reactions. It's a testament to their skills that nobody got their legs destroyed doing this stuff.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6bNxA4IsEU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrus_Carter View Post
    That drill is great and that guard is very interesting. I already do some of that stuff but a good chunk is new to me. I'll give a try in training today.
    Also, the speed needed to keep the 50-50 guard functional on MMA is very important, specially taking into account you can get your face blasted if you're not fast enough.
    Fagella said it great, it's a contest of wills.
    Check this fight, both great leg lockers with amazing reactions. It's a testament to their skills that nobody got their legs destroyed doing this stuff.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6bNxA4IsEU
    I wouldn't call Palhares a great leglocker, in the sense that he might be technical. He isn't technical at all... Just super fast, explosive, and has no remorse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregaquaman View Post
    You do tend to jump off a guy to do them loosing position.
    That's only if you do them poorly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    That's only if you do them poorly.
    Mate if you have one that allows me to hit the guy while I am trying to apply it. Sing out.

    Or even if it can advance me or pull me out of a tight spot.

    I am not against leg locks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregaquaman View Post
    Mate if you have one that allows me to hit the guy while I am trying to apply it. Sing out.

    Or even if it can advance me or pull me out of a tight spot.

    I am not against leg locks.
    You've created a false dichotomy between submissions and strikes. Submissions, however, are arguably the more efficient attack.

    And you're already displaying body politics concerning ground attacks. The presumption is that the closer I move to their center, the more "advanced" the position is. That is a very limited view of how one person can control another's movement.

    If you have limited their outward rotation and controlled the hip, then they aren't going anywhere. Also, you are in excellent position to stand back up, if they were to escape your control position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregaquaman View Post
    Mate if you have one that allows me to hit the guy while I am trying to apply it. Sing out.

    Or even if it can advance me or pull me out of a tight spot.

    I am not against leg locks.
    You can hit someone just as hard when ankle locking them as you can when you arm bar them.

    But the real question is what the **** does that have to do with submitting them?

    It can advance you to the win after break off a lower extremity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    I wouldn't call Palhares a great leglocker, in the sense that he might be technical. He isn't technical at all... Just super fast, explosive, and has no remorse.
    The thing is, at least for me, speed and aggressiveness are a technique that functions along the principles of the leg lock (or any other type of combat sport). He usually got those leglocks great, but that time he was against a bjj black belt that didn't played his game and beat the crap out of him after neutralizing his leglock, using the best opportunity available.
    The thing I like about leglocks is that properly done, ends the fight instantly. It's VERY risky (Palhares gto banned from UFC after destroying a guy's leg) but it's a great weapon in any MMArtist arsenals.
    I tried some of the drills I got from here and others, combined them with a classic leg shooting takedown and they work great.
    It just requires a lot of training to use properly, specially if you just wanna neutralize your opponent and don't destroy his leg.
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    Alan Belcher is badass, and I'm a fan, but there were a couple of moments in there where Palhares could have finished him, if he had better technique.

    That's the point I'm making. Since Palhares' leglocking lacks in some control, those that do their homework and work on their defense (Belcher) can easily avoid getting their leg retarded on.

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    You probably have quite a few years more of experience than me in this subject so I'm taking your word for it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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