Originally Posted by doofaloofa
There you go. Argue away, his initial comments tell me what I need to know.
Ok, the guy that tapped is an asshole.
Throwing in the towel means you give up, you lose.
Touching gloves and avoiding illegal techniques are good sportsmanship. Throwing in the towel has never been a sign of good sportmanship, whether you're winning or losing, it's an admission of defeat.
In this case, self-defeat. What a shitty ass fighter. I hope I never see him fight again.
I guess I'll jump in before the video gets dissected. Listen to EVERYTHING he says:
He felt he was defending himself.
He would have like to finish.
He had a bloody nose.
He was angry.
Felt he had a lot more in him.
After he pulled what I hate, a logical fallacy, to defend the guy:
He's a nice person.
He's a great guy.
He's got a good heart.
He says he was ANGRY until he talked to him. He even says "I thought I could beat him still." He spends a bunch of time running off on a tangent about "respect" and he didn't take it to heart. He even talks about how it has brought more viewers to MMA. Yet, he NEVER said he was okay with him tapping out.
Well the sportsman here is J Raser. The other guy may have meant well but imo acted wrong. Raser is being a gent about it, props to him..he wins.
It's all here, this is how you handle it.
You have to say 'I love you' at the end.
I seriously don't know what Mike was thinking. Tapping out like that was not a classy, compassionate move, in my opinion. The way I see it, Mike saw that he was doing better than Rasen, had a bit of an upper hand and for some reason that, in his mind, equaled, "I'm too good for this guy, he's just gonna get hurt, I better stop". That seems incredibly self-aggrandizing to me.
I don't know what Mike saw but I saw a guy who was standing tall, taking the hits and was totally coherent. If Rasen was in ANY danger, either his corner or the ref would have stopped it...hell, if Rasen thought he was in any danger or just couldn't continue, he would have tapped. This wasn't compassion...this was humiliation.
I've never fought in either an amateur or professional fight and I doubt I ever will, so perhaps my opinion on this is meaningless...but I just don't see this as the proper behavior and attitude of a fighter who wants to go pro. It wasn't Mike's job to decie when the fight was over. There are people there who, as part of their job specifics, have the task of making that decision. If one fighter tells another fighter 'hey, I gotta stop this 'cause I'm giving you the beatdown'...what an insult. What a dishonorable act.
I rather hope Rasen fights Mike again and shows him what a beatdown really is.
Here is Mike Pantangco's interview. I still think he did the wrong thing in the ring. But inclined to believe he meant well.
It sets a bad precedent, because you know what comes next. By simply surrendering every fight before it starts, your style can "win".
Originally Posted by Resonance10
"Yeah, well, I tapped out before the match started because I knew I'd royally kick his ass. My Wing Chun style is meant for street murder, not competition fighting, and I promised my sifu I wouldn't kill anyone".
Yeah, when I saw the first video I thought, "well if they are unpaid amateurs and the guy doesn't wanna put his opponent in the hospital, thats totally his right." I thought it was a decent decision. Yeah, it might hurt his opponent's ego a bit, but that would be better than enduring serious trauma.
But having seen that full video, holy ****. What a condescending way to back out of the fight. There was a lot of room for his opponent to still get in the swing of things and mount a comeback. Just no reason for him to have done that at all, other than to come off looking like a winner without actually having put in the effort to win.